Little Poll For You All....

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

It seems to me that recently the 205 community has dawned on a new era without even realising it. The GTi6 conversion seems to be THE favoured power upgrade, replacing the original golden 1.9 Mi16. I personally favour the mi any day of th week over the gti6 purely on grin factor to drive. What do you guys reckon?

 

This could be an interesting one.....

 

Maxi

[Anthony 1,003]

In paper, it should be the GTi-6 - more power, more torque, more tractable, more potential, and they don't need a mandatory rebuild like Mi's

 

But you know what, I still prefer Mi's as they've got character, beg to be driven hard, and somehow just seems to suit the whole 205 ethos better. All IMO of course.

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

In paper, it should be the GTi-6 - more power, more torque, more tractable, more potential, and they don't need a mandatory rebuild like Mi's

 

But you know what, I still prefer Mi's as they've got character and somehow just seems to suit a 205 better. IMO of course.

 

 

I couldnt have put it better myself. The mi16 has a "magic" about it. I love the way they like to come alive at 4000RPM and urge to the limiter, bouncing off it as if they were spitting that gear out and asking for another. The GTi6 lumps are charachterless, ok they rev like a 16v should but make max power before the limiter and struggle to rev up near the limiter.

 

Sometimes things add up on paper but not in spirit!

 

Maxi

Edited September 20, 2008 by maxi

[Bonzai 2]

ive only driven the GTi6 in a 306 so hard to compare directly, but i think the Mi is a fine engine and were it not for the expensive rebuilds requird before conversions, theyd still be king of the crop

[Alastairh 47]

A 'good' Mi is alot of fun. But harder to come by these days.

 

But i can agree Adam on the luxury of the wofting of the 6 engine. Mine was quick, or it was compared to other cars i came across. But it never had the kick in the balls like the Mi does at 4k because of the low down torque.

 

Either you can't go wrong with. Certinly better than them poxy 8 valves, aye Anthony?

 

Dam, you've made me want to go out in mine after sitting un used/abused for 10 days...

Edited September 20, 2008 by Alastairh

[Baz 421]

Tbh most '6s also need rebuilding these days anyway.

 

The lighter Mi's for me, loads more character, just so suited to the 205's delicate balanced chassis.

[timmsy19 3]

having never driven a 205 with a "6" engine

 

im going to have to say the Mi16 obveously. but i think when mine dies its going to be a hard decition on the next engine to go in

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

A 'good' Mi is alot of fun. But harder to come by these days.

 

But i can agree Adam on the luxury of the wofting of the 6 engine. Mine was quick, or it was compared to other cars i came across. But it never had the kick in the balls like the Mi does at 4k because of the low down torque.

 

Either you can't go wrong with. Certinly better than them poxy 8 valves, aye Anthony?

 

Dam, you've made me want to go out in mine after sitting un used/abused for 10 days...

 

 

Get out there and give it some stick!!!!! Did you ever go in the sla when it was a 1.9mi???? It was ridiculously powerbandy due to the shortened inlet manifold and downpipe setup but it would lick the limiter all day long. I used to have it spinning to the limiter in 2nd in the dry (with the aid of a big grab of the clutch). It was so much fun, more than the setup I have now to be honest!

 

Maxi

[Matt Holley 11]

I found the mi16 frustraiting on the road, always dropping down a gear to make it wake up and get a move on, I liked it on track though as I could keep it in the power band, but the oil surge was enough to make me take it out and replace with a gti6.

[gti_al 1]

On the right road i think the mi16s are better. Mine just seems to pull harder in its powerband than the 6 i drive... It is clearly lacking low down in comparison, but i don't really get down there when i am having fun anyway.

 

I found changing the inlet cam really woke the mi16 up though. Before it was definately a bit flat and lifeless

[taylorspug 7]

MI all the way for me. The GTI6 is a better engine for the way i use my car due to the oil surge issues, but on a backroad blast id rather have my old MI lump. With the repro cams it didnt have a great deal of go below 4k, but having to work the box gets you so much more involved in the drive. I can still hear it howling through the backlanes now, cracking the limiter in second out of tight corners...

 

Part of me wishes id just not bothered with the '6 lump and bought some management for the MI to get rid of the poxy AFM, then got it mapped with the cams. Would have made over 180hp all day long. Then i think of the open pit day at Brands im doing in November, and the death rattle it would almost certainly bring with it!

[jonnie205 1]

the mi is a nice period engine which is good and light and has bags of character, howver bang for buck these days best of with gti6. I must have done about 20 mi16 conversions over teh past few years mainly to my own and mates cars, always fire staright up, nice and easy to fit too

[jackherer 543]

I quite like the S16 myself

 

With 1.9 Mi16 inlet manifold, inlet cam and management it drives like a slightly overpowered Mi16 and goes round corners without oil surge. Well, less oil surge.

[large 33]

Will i am another one for the Mi, well i have just fitted my first and can't wait to see what it goes like. I did have gti 6 and it went well but i am hopping the mi 205 will be that bit better.

[Alan_M 66 1 Cars]

I could only vote for Mi16, not got round to fitting my 'spare' GTi6 lump yet, let alone rebuild it first.

 

Must admit, the Mi16 is a huge hoot to drive. Mines a bit boggy, but once on cam (re-pro's) it fly's. For the 6-7 days it was working, it brought back a lot of memories for me. Its hilarious the pace it climbs through the speedo too.....

 

The 6 lump was on the cards, maybe with the extra capacity conversion but I'm now keeping tabs on the Mi lump with crank located pistons (S13Nick?) and the oil surge results.

[M_R_205 5 1 Cars]

Mi16, because its name sounds like a gun

[SurGie 54]

Mi16, because its name sounds like a gun

 

 

Or Mission Impossible lol

[James_R 3]

Is it just me or does the exahsut note on the 6 just sound a bit raspy? I'm not kean on it.

 

I'm keeping tabs on a few hyrbis 6/XU9 engines at the mo, I think they could be the way to go in the future.

[taylorspug 7]

Is it just me or does the exahsut note on the 6 just sound a bit raspy? I'm not kean on it.

 

Yes mine certainly is raspy, much more so than the MI, induction sounds nice though. Also even with solid mounts the engine movement keeps splitting my bastard centre box, it was new last year and its now completely shagged.

[KRISKARRERA 2 1 Cars]

Or Mission Impossible lol

Or Mystery Inc or Monsters Inc.

[alien7 0]

Mi16, I'm planning to setup this engine

or maybe S16

[craig f90 0]

Ive got a 2.0 turbo'd 205 but crave MI16 or GTI-6 power.

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

I'm not trying to take this off topic Maxi, because it's a good poll. I can't even vote really coz the only '6 I've driven was Kate's, although I've hammered the living crap out of my Mi .

 

Despite knowing the Mi (XU9 anyway) is an alloy block, and that the '6 block is iron and the '6 head is drastically different, what really makes these engines have such different character?

 

People are favouring the Mi here, but why? It's a screamer yes, but why isn't the '6?

Edited September 23, 2008 by DrSarty

[RINRIN 1]

I can not make any comment on mi16 and gti6 but as I can imagine the mi16 is better because it has characteristics. You are damn lucky, It is really difficult to find an mi 16 engine here. Or you can find but you need to give lots of muney

[Stu 18]

Im torn.. I love the Mi in my 205, a really revvy engine, full of character, takes all the abuse i can throw at it and still comes back for more.. But.. Even given the mods ive done to the sump theres still a little gremlin in the back of my mind that says one day the surge will be its downfall.

 

Ive only driven a 306 GTI-6, and i do really like the engine. Nice induction note, no AFM, no dodgy electrics to spoil the fun. Strikes me as being a good solid unit, if a little lacking in 'zest' for want of a better word.

 

But for now, ive voted Mi.