Partner/berlingo/expert Gearbox

[ifcho 0]

Hi,

 

I've been looking through smckeown's gear table and I noticide that a lot of partners/experts have a BE3/5 gearbox with a short diff - 4,93 one some Partners and 5.06 on some Experts.

 

Would the diff (crownwheel and pinion fit inside a 1.9GTI BE3 gearbox?). I think that such short diff would be perfect for a hillclimb car (what I'm buliding) top speed would be alittle limited at 180km/h but acceleration should be good.

Has anyone fitted such diff?

 

Are there any drawbacks in it?

 

Finding a mi16 diff here is quite difficult so I'm looking to some alternatives and we have a lot of experts and partners here...

[Sandy 191]

As long as it comes from a similar vintage BE3, yes. Some of the later BE3s and BE4s have a different 3/4 gear spline though, which creates a compatibility issue with the gears.

[ifcho 0]

I have found an Expert 1.9D in a local scrappy and locally it will have the 5.09 diff...will be open on Monday though.

I have browsed through Peugeot's technical documentation regardning gearboxes, but they have written it pretty complicated, so I could not understand whether the 1-5 gears from my 1.9GTI box will fit the expert one

[ifcho 0]

Well...I just found something interesting, while looking through Expert's boxes I noticed that some of the BE4R gearboxes are fitted with a LSD

 

I have just been looking at some manual how to adjust the diff for increased traction. Diff on a BE4R gearbox.

Anyone know if its possible to fit this to a old style BE3 box? (Probably not, but with the price of LSDs its worth asking )

Edited May 9, 2008 by ifcho

[KRISKARRERA 2 1 Cars]

I'm waiting for our resident gearbox guru to spot this.

[Sandy 191]

The LSD boxes weren't fitted to any UK model AFAIK.

[Chris H 10]

The berlingo 4.93 cwp fits fine.....that what i have in my 205, the 4.53 also fits fine too......cant say for definite about the others but expect the 4.73 would fit straight in to a be3

[ifcho 0]

finding a 1.8d Berlingo here ain't very easy.

I hope the 5.09 diff from the expert will fit fine

[vickiw106 1]

even though the expert gearbox is a be3 gearbox

 

i think everything is bigger than a 205 be3 gearbox

 

therefore i dont think you will not be able swop final parts

 

i not sure on this will be interested to find out

[ifcho 0]

OK. I have another question, is the gearbox from a 4x4 Mi16, the same as on standard Mi16?

[KRISKARRERA 2 1 Cars]

1st and 5th are lower.

[ifcho 0]

It's the final drive I'm interested in. Will it fit a 205GTI BE3 box?

[ifcho 0]

again replying to myself...

After searching through the parts catalogue, I found that although the mi16x4 gearbox, does not have a differential in it, the crown wheel and the pinion gearing, have the same number as on the standart mi16.

So I guess, I have finally found a 4.4 FD for my car

[vickiw106 1]

the crown wheel and pinion will out of the berlingo/partner van will fit a 205 be3 box,

 

if you are looking at a be4 box then they wont fit

 

i have a friend who a has put a berlingo final drive in his be 205 gerabox it a straight swop

 

its just finding one

Edited May 14, 2008 by vickiw106

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

Magic ran a Berlingo box in his 441 bhp CTI T16. He seemed to think it had a diff in it too.

[ifcho 0]

What about the mi16x4 final driver?

Do you think it will fit?

[petert 591]

It's the final drive I'm interested in. Will it fit a 205GTI BE3 box?

 

Yes, the Mi16x4 cwp will bolt straight into a 205GTI BE3 box.

 

The Mi16x4 only differs in having a solid spool (rather than a diff), which directs all power to the transfer box.

[andychalmers 0]

From what I gather from above the Berlingo/Partner 4.93 CWP will fit in a BE3 205 box if the original box is a BE3, but not with a BE4. When did the Berlingo/Partner change from a BE3 to a BE4? Or does it depend on the engine model? Also is the Berlingo/Partner box stamped up saying its a BE3 or BE4?

Cheers

[welshpug 1,662]

pretty certain most of them are BE4, seeing as there weren't many with an XU engine.

 

they are indeed stamped BE3 or BE4, here's an odd one for you, a gti6 box has BE3 stamped on the bellhousing, but BE4 on the rest....

 

 

BE4 parts will fit inside a BE3 casing, as long as you use the right combination of parts (not sure exactly what offhand, but 3/4 cluster sits on a different spline) there are some pretty short ratio's out there in the BE4 boxes, 4.9 is the lowest I've found.

[stuart 31 3 Cars]

I don't know if it's much help but a guy I bought some bits off had one in his rally car and he said that it's the 1.8 non turbo berlingo that you need.

[alync406 4]

You would need to find a early van around 97 to get a be3.1st and 2nd from a be3 fit the be4 shaft but 3rd 4th and 5th won't fit,the splines are different.I could only manage to find a be4 box out of a partner/berlingo for my rally car.