1.6 To Mi16

[Ethos 0]

Hi guys,

 

Just toying with the idea... so far it seems that all I will need for the conversion is;

 

Mi16 engine (obviously!)

Ecu / convertor to plug into the 205 system (eek).

 

Problems;

 

Downpipe fouls the bulkhead

Manifold fouls the radiator

 

Can I keep everything else? Will the 1.6 exhaust/downpipe be ok? It seems the alternator / gearbox is fine. Will 1.6 driveshafts etc.. be ok for the time being?

 

Sorry, I know this gets covered alot but I can't find much on 1.6 to mi16... only 1.9. I've seen a couple engines go for £200 lately which seems really cheap if I can do the work myself (very slowly as I'm rubbish though!!).

 

Alot of people seem concerned with oil surge too... need to look into this some more I think

 

Thanks.

Edited May 1, 2008 by Ethos

[Ethos 0]

Also what sort of price would the parts be for to rebuild an mi16 engine?

 

Thanks.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The 1.9 is the same as the 1.6 bar the hub's, Driveshafts so the D/P will need modding, As for cost of a engie build on parts don;t expect much change from a grand on a good one or more if allot of work is needed

[Ethos 0]

The 1.9 is the same as the 1.6 bar the hub's, Driveshafts so the D/P will need modding, As for cost of a engie build on parts don;t expect much change from a grand on a good one or more if allot of work is needed

 

Just under a grand for the parts alone to rebuilt a mi16? Bloody hell... thought it'd be alot cheaper than that.

[Ryan 99]

Just under a grand for the parts alone to rebuilt a mi16? Bloody hell... thought it'd be alot cheaper than that.

 

Mine only came to about £400ish iirc.

Edited May 2, 2008 by Ryan

[smokey 0]

It all depends really on how good the engine is.

 

I bought one of someone on here for £400 which included a gearbox. Apparently its was really good and only needed the head putting back on.

 

Turned out that i needed to completly rebuild and replace allot of the engine.

 

Bits i shouldn't really have had to do was:

 

Replace Flywheel, Replace Liners, Replace cams, Replace some followers/tappets and a crank polish.

 

But when you do a rebuild its advised you do:

 

New cam belt and tensioners, water pump, piston rings, Bottom end gasket kit and top end gasket kit (if you completely strip), Main and big end bearings (really recommend doing these)

 

So far its cost me around £700 do do all this thats not including the engine either and i'm building the engine myself!!

 

Should be worth it in the end

 

Thing to remember is you never know what your getting!!

Edited May 2, 2008 by smokey

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

It's not cheap building a engine, even a full head build isn;t cheap and the thought of Pug's being cheap is all wrong. A bad Mi which most are now will need pretty much everything and if you have a look at 2-pugs post about taking his head off he's run into problems and thats on a very low milage car, yes this is a worst case but most are unless your very lucky

[Ethos 0]

Is this why the gti-6 is more popular? It seems alot more is involved with it though....

[welshpug 1,657]

more power, younger, seemingly harder wearing.

 

no more effort to fit than an Mi.

[AdamVester 0]

i still say to this day the gti6 is cheaper to do. you can pick a really good engine up for around £600 with some really low millage. then fitting it doesnt really cost anything other than a bit of metal to make an alternator bracket and a few engine mounts. you can do a very good gti-6 convershion with a mint engine for under £1k easy.. get a mi16 on the other hand and you need to shorten bits.. change bits rebuild it (more than likely) wire it all in and so on... much more work involved in putting a mi16 in i think.

 

plus the mi16 is 7bhp less if i remember.

[Ethos 0]

i still say to this day the gti6 is cheaper to do. you can pick a really good engine up for around £600 with some really low millage. then fitting it doesnt really cost anything other than a bit of metal to make an alternator bracket and a few engine mounts. you can do a very good gti-6 convershion with a mint engine for under £1k easy.. get a mi16 on the other hand and you need to shorten bits.. change bits rebuild it (more than likely) wire it all in and so on... much more work involved in putting a mi16 in i think.

 

plus the mi16 is 7bhp less if i remember.

 

I thought there it was much more involved reading a thread from here (although I can't find it now). There was about 10 things that needed modding that were a pain!

 

I have seen some good gti-6 engines for £500+ with warranty too actually. If it's not much harder if any at all I think i'd go for that... but being a beginner at this kind of stuff I didn't want to start too complex.

[AdamVester 0]

welll a gti-6 normally will cost about the same as a good mi16 but dont forget you will still need cambelt, water pump other stuff replacing to be on the safe side anyway so thats going to bring it up by another £150ish... i have done a mi16 convershion myself on my 1.6. i was lucky as the downpipe was alreadya 1.9 one... go to the scrappy and get hold of a 1.9 downpipe cheapest option.. as for the RAD just drop it onto a custom bracket and use a few cable ties.. leave mounts all the same bar the top part of the mount and it will fit in. then just use the mi16 managment so you dont need to buy a dizzy convertor.. thats what i have done so far.. but be aware of engine movment!!!! im going to have to get hold of a stiffer lower mount as i have a fair bit and im worred about hitting the servo it sits really close.

 

but yeah you can do a mi16 convershion on the cheap mine was less than £750 with the engine and all parts. im sure i could do a gti-6 for the same kind of price and it will be a better standard convershion as i wont need to be bashing out my bulkhead and stuff.

[gti-si 0]

I'd vote gti-6 if it was in question. Just as Adam says the engine should need alot less work, especially if your buying one with a warrenty. When you say the gti-6 seems alot more involved...it is, but it isn't. The gti-6 throws up a few more complications than dropping in an Mi, but the solutions aren't necessarily hard, they just need consideration. If you want to do the conversion right and keep to a set price the best bet is to plan what your going to have to buy. I think Adam has understated a 6 conversion a little in his post. You still need to modify the downpipe to fit the manifold and to gain clearance it'd be the best bet to get a new set of mounts, Grp N solids and preferably an RS2000 top mount. If you drop the engine, depending by how much, the bottom mount will need to be extended aswell, which isn't a hard job in itself if you have a welder, just something to think about.

 

Along side this there are many small problems, although they are "small" they still need to be thought about, and you'll still end up buying new items. For instance, you need a veichle speed sensor, a solution to a working rev counter (see Spikys thread about looms) and then a way of sorting the pressure switch. Maxi posted an excellent reply listing a sh*tload of what needs to be done, it had pretty much everything involved. It'd be wise to look at that.

 

So im not saying its a hard conversion, just saying don't walk into it thinking its a breeze. The Mi16 is probably a little less involved in getting a good conversion, but it won't be the cheaper option after a rebuild, thats for sure

 

Edit: Adam, im pretty sure the Gti6 requires you to "wire it all in" too you know

Edited May 3, 2008 by gti-si

[AdamVester 0]

well yeah there is that lol.... i never done a gti6 convershion myself but im considering buying a 205 CTI for next summer and doing one on that with a dimma kit. a post on this forum and one up on ebay has made me want to make the silly idea in my head a reality... damn them all im even thinking of selling the mi16 (compleat car) to fund it!!!

[gti-si 0]

How much you want? haha, i've got a few friends willing to by a 165bhp blackboard...they're the educational sort...

[Peetypug 5]

if you want a good Mi16

i'm sure M@TT has/had one for sale

just had a part rebuild aswell iirc

[Ethos 0]

Thanks for the replies guys.I'm keeping my eye on this at the moment actually, but only because it's freshly rebuilt. I'm guessing it's going to go for silly money- but if it goes for sub £500... it'll be cheaper than a GTI-6 and it's as good as a new engine;http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-S16-2-0Mi16-...1QQcmdZViewItemJust to add, I know this will be a very steep learning curve for me...but my girlfriend can walk to work now (it's her 205) and I have the Octy VRS for my commute. It means I can take my time over the conversion and make sure I'm happy with everything! I in no way think it will be easy!

 

if you want a good Mi16i'm sure M@TT has/had one for salejust had a part rebuild aswell iirc

 

Thanks mate, might be worth a PM to him

Edited May 5, 2008 by Ethos

[Ethos 0]

Hi guys,

 

Quick update for anyone who's interested

 

Seems I'll be going down the MI16 route! Probably 5-6 weeks time ish! Can't wait!! Here's my rough plan so far;

 

1. Remove driveshafts, speedo drive, clutch cable etc

2. Remove air filter, battery, radiator

3. Remove inlet manifold and alternator

4. Undo bottom engine mount, support engine and pull top 2 engine mounts.

5. 8v engine removed.

6. Remove 8v loom

7. degrease/rust/clean engine bay

8. scratch head regardling the loom

9. Remove gearbox and connect to 16v engine, replace clutch and inspect flywheel

10. drop in 16v engine, replace driveshafts etc

11. Work out where everything goes!

 

I will start a thread no doubt when I start it properly and take plenty of pics etc... documenting all my "work" (read cockups) along the way.

 

Oh and rung sky insurance today, with my girlfriend as the main policy holder and me it'll only cost £350 or less with the mi16. That's with 12k miles on the policy and I doubt we'd even do 4k.

 

Awesome summer project

Edited May 7, 2008 by Ethos

[westy 0]

hmmm, i recognise that list

[Ethos 0]

hmmm, i recognise that list

 

Yea, took me ages.....

[Phil H 16]

remind me why the inlet manifold and alternator need to come off if you taking the engine out?

[steve@cornwall 100]

remind me why the inlet manifold and alternator need to come off if you taking the engine out?

 

 

If the engine is being dropped out the bottom it gives clearance on the flimsy panel under the rad ?

[Ethos 0]

When the engine is out would you say it's worth changing the server / master brake cylinder? Only saying this as it's know the cam cover sits very close to it, so might make sense to do it.

 

Much to get new?

Edited May 13, 2008 by Ethos