malyso 0 Posted March 19, 2008 I've just bought a 205 MI16 with a few mods with the intention of using it for on track .. Having read a few posts on oil surge issues i thought it better to investigate and decided to drop the sump off and see if any thing baffleing had been done for me... Unfortunately not, but the oil pick up seems to be very low in the sump and it is a very shallow sump, can anyone identify if i have a non standard sump or oil pick up or are these standard and therefore will I need to baffle it to be safe? Also looks like the oil temp sensor is naffed too... and further up the block at the rear there is another temp sensor without wiring is the low oil sender? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baz 421 Posted March 19, 2008 That's a std Mi sump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiji bob 0 Posted March 20, 2008 the sensor on the sump is oil temp, there is a mushroom shaped one on the front of the block for oil pressure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nick 3 Posted March 20, 2008 The oil pump pick-up should be as low as possible in the sump anyway. Nick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C_W 3 1 Cars Posted March 20, 2008 The sump is the same depth as a normal 1.9 tin sump (both use the spacer/stiffener plate above the sump). Are you used to a 1.6 sump? (which is deeper by the thickness of the spacer/stiffener). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted March 21, 2008 The easiest way to get a baffled sump is to get the sump and oil pump from a XU10, as fitted to a really boring 406 in a scrapyard near you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stu 18 Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) ^^^^ As above, but bear in mind the pick up will need lengthening to make full use of the extra capacity if you keep the 205 pump, and the sprocket on the crank will need changing if you use the 406 pump. The sump you've got there mate is the standard Mi one, as is the pick up on the oil pump. Edited March 21, 2008 by stu da rude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted March 21, 2008 The sprocket on the crank will need changing if you use the 406 pump. Does it?????? How come? Why? Youve got me worried now, as i just chucked the 406 pump straight on :S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stu 18 Posted March 21, 2008 Im fairly sure the sprocket is bigger on one or the other, and the chain is a different pitch, PeterT is the guy to ask, i think it goes into all the details on his webpage buddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted March 21, 2008 ahh k, well afaik the 406 pump fits straight on and gives good oil pressure, so its all good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malyso 0 Posted March 22, 2008 The sump is the same depth as a normal 1.9 tin sump (both use the spacer/stiffener plate above the sump). Are you used to a 1.6 sump? (which is deeper by the thickness of the spacer/stiffener). Are you saying I should have a spacer between this sump and the block? There isn't one and this may explain why the sump bolts are so long, is it possible that it was removed to help the oil surge problem it will have the same effect of using a deeper sump with longer pick up.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petert 587 Posted March 26, 2008 Are you saying I should have a spacer between this sump and the block? Yes. The finned sump was always fitted with a 15mm spacer plate, whether on the 1.9 8V or the 1.9 Mi16. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweetBadger 94 Posted March 26, 2008 Are you saying I should have a spacer between this sump and the block? There isn't one and this may explain why the sump bolts are so long, is it possible that it was removed to help the oil surge problem it will have the same effect of using a deeper sump with longer pick up.... If that picture in your first post (not there anymore, but I spotted it earlier) is your engine then it looks like you do have the spacer plate - it's just still bolted to the block. There are two allen key bolts in opposite corners of the block holding the spacer plate on - un-do them and it should pull off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malyso 0 Posted March 26, 2008 If that picture in your first post (not there anymore, but I spotted it earlier) is your engine then it looks like you do have the spacer plate - it's just still bolted to the block. There are two allen key bolts in opposite corners of the block holding the spacer plate on - un-do them and it should pull off... Yeah I spotted on closer inspection, thanks badger.. Should be picking up a s16 sump already baffled at the weekend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
