Changing Lanes Without Indicating At Motorway Speeds

[kyepan 291]

Hi there,

 

My car has returned to its wonderful changing lanes upon application and release of the throttle after only a few thousand miles.

 

Just in case any of you were under the assumption that after market wishbone bushes are decent, they most certainly are not. So, if you buy some wishbone's that are non OEM, get either some PUG oem bushes, or powerflex pressed in. Alternativly do it yourself with a blowtorch, punch, and copperslip. The reason I say this, is those inboard wishbone bolts are a pig to get to, and for the sake of the price of bushes I would rather have a saturday afternoon not spent swearing and skinning my knuckles changing the wishbones... again.

 

Cheers

 

Justin.

[welshpug 1,657]

Out of interest justin which brand/supplier were the offending items?

 

I have had GSF supplied ones on my car for 10k now no bother, but I dotn know how many miles you have covered on yours.

 

But a set of bushes as you say is only £20 from the dealers, so if the balljoints are fine ho hum

[kyepan 291]

buy parts buy.com £29

 

this one

 

Euro car parts are 65 each.

GSF R CONT ARM LH 309 GTi/TD 58.00 each

 

Edited December 31, 2007 by kyepan

[jeremy 70]

From my own experience it is well worth getting the tracking done just to make sure this isn't putting the whishbone bushes under unecessary pressure .

[Pugnut 9 1 Cars]

in my experience if your car is lowered so that the bottom arms sit straight horizontal then all your car weight and cornering forces are applied horizontally and directly onto the bush. whereas if you have bottom arm that droop down a little as a standard cars does and with some body roll the forces are shared between other components - through the arb etc . thats the way i understand it anyway . british roads, spirited driving and a lowered 205 means the wishbone bushes last no time.

[dan9 0]

Excuse my blatant hijacking of this thread, but the problem described (changing direction on application or release of the throttle) is excactly what my new (to me) 1.9 gti is doing!

 

I had no idea what search term to use, so I thought I'd break all the forum rules and jump in here!

 

Is it a common problem, and is it most likely to be the wishbone bushes? Jacking the car up and wiggling the wheels doesn't really tell me anything.... (although the steering arm seems to move a bit on the nearside - should I worry?)

 

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help - I'll be interested to see what bushes people recommend!

[kyepan 291]

Excuse my blatant hijacking of this thread, but the problem described (changing direction on application or release of the throttle) is excactly what my new (to me) 1.9 gti is doing!

 

I had no idea what search term to use, so I thought I'd break all the forum rules and jump in here!

 

Is it a common problem, and is it most likely to be the wishbone bushes? Jacking the car up and wiggling the wheels doesn't really tell me anything.... (although the steering arm seems to move a bit on the nearside - should I worry?)

 

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help - I'll be interested to see what bushes people recommend!

 

yes, its fairly common.

 

another possible thing is that the wishbone bolts are loose (as happened to me), or lower hub / ball joint hole has ovaled.

 

 

standard pug bushes are good quality, or you could pop for powerflex ones.

 

cheers

 

Justin.

[Rom 0]

Play cant always be felt by wobblign the wheel.

I changed mine recently to poly ones,mine was pulling under accleration etc. But couldnt feel any play.

 

Till i got a bar on the little buggers

 

Everyone has own opinions on brands. Some have luck with cheap non genuine ones. Some swear by polys, others at them !

[dan9 0]

Just thought everyone would like an update since I hijacked this thread.

 

Just got my GTi back from the MOT centre - it's the offside wishbone bushes that have gone for sure.

 

I'll take the old wishbones off and at the very least replace the bushes (with pug OE ones) - perhaps the wishbones as well if the balljoints look in poor condition. Will I get away with reusing the existing wishbones or is that considered a stupid thing to do? Just trying to save some cash!

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

If it's only the bushes then buy some OE bushes or better still the bush kit which is cheaper! (can't remember the part nos. but a search will find it)

I bought some new wishbones and had the same issue as you after 10k miles - I've covered another 20k since on them with OE bushes and

[kyepan 291]

now i'm angry, either the bushes are fecked after 100 miles.. or they bolts are loose. going to check and retorque them to be sure.

[Batfink 201]

J- if you decide to go polybushes speak to me first

[kyepan 291]

J- if you decide to go polybushes speak to me first

alredy in poly bush land dude.

[kyepan 291]

ok, i've double checked all the torque settings and i'm sure they are done up correctly.

 

now is there any other reason that this could be happening.

 

pa said it might be worn radius / trailing arm / bearings, could this be possible?

[welshpug 1,657]

ok, i've double checked all the torque settings and i'm sure they are done up correctly.

 

now is there any other reason that this could be happening.

 

pa said it might be worn radius / trailing arm / bearings, could this be possible?

 

 

could be, my brothers 306 had some odd handling traits when the beam was shot on one side, it would step out on long curves (roundabouts etc) and would move around a little on motorway ruts, but nothing as severe as complete lane changes.

 

I know its not a pug but I have driven an escort that had a knackered diff, this would drag/throw the car across the road under power/lift, I shat myself the first time I drove it!

 

it was scrapped shortly after I believe

[kyepan 291]

could be, my brothers 306 had some odd handling traits when the beam was shot on one side, it would step out on long curves (roundabouts etc) and would move around a little on motorway ruts, but nothing as severe as complete lane changes.

 

I know its not a pug but I have driven an escort that had a knackered diff, this would drag/throw the car across the road under power/lift, I shat myself the first time I drove it!

 

it was scrapped shortly after I believe

well the diff is fairly new. its only changing about half a lane, most confused.

[Batfink 201]

what condition are your rear sandwich mounts in?

[kyepan 291]

what condition are your rear sandwich mounts in?

group n solid ones. so i would guess they are pretty solid.. Was going to have a look at them just in case the bolts were loose.

[Dan Ingram 1]

Tracking? I had the same problem, got the tracking checked and it was only slightly out but made a huge difference.

[d-9 0]

Were they polybushes you fitted? If so its possible they are knackerd after 100miles, they dont seem to last long! Otherwise, try replacing the wishbone pinchbolts and checking that everything is torqued up correctly. Is it a LSD you have? I find with mine it grabs at ruts really badly if the tracking is out at all, so be worth checking that, especially if its all jsut been apart, remember that most tracking places cant track lowerd cars correctly.

[DrSarty 90 1 Cars]

I'm really gutted for you Justin. I had no idea you were having the swervy (and perhaps snappy) lane change problems I was having.

 

We slogged hard - and my thumb paid the price - burning out and smacking your old wishbone bushes out to put the Powerflex ones in.

 

My take on this is that it's the rear beam. I'm convinced that's what it was on mine, hence me having Anthony rebuild it. I feel this because through a process of elimination, you've covered everything else. As a result, you may actually worsen the situation because the weakest component (the rear beam) can't share its faults with anything else.

 

I don't think you have much choice.

 

Rich

[Batfink 201]

Justin. I have a reconditioned beam in cornwall. When i'm down there in the next few weeks I could pick it up and we could see if a beam swap fixes things???. Then you can eliminate that or decide on what beam you want to fit....

[kyepan 291]

I'm really gutted for you Justin. I had no idea you were having the swervy (and perhaps snappy) lane change problems I was having.

 

We slogged hard - and my thumb paid the price - burning out and smacking your old wishbone bushes out to put the Powerflex ones in.

 

My take on this is that it's the rear beam. I'm convinced that's what it was on mine, hence me having Anthony rebuild it. I feel this because through a process of elimination, you've covered everything else. As a result, you may actually worsen the situation because the weakest component (the rear beam) can't share its faults with anything else.

 

I don't think you have much choice.

 

Rich

 

the weired thing is he has already rebuilt the beam thats on the car, hence the continued confusion. Does anyone know what happens when the ball joints wear? on the front that is.

[welshpug 1,657]

the weired thing is he has already rebuilt the beam thats on the car, hence the continued confusion. Does anyone know what happens when the ball joints wear? on the front that is.

 

 

Worn balljoints would cause wayward handling as described, fairly easy to check too.

[Batfink 201]

have these been checked? Justin never said...