Guest jumpkin205 Posted December 12, 2007 I am just in the process of starting to rebuild my 205 and one of the first things on my list was a quickrack. There seems to be a problem, in that nobody seems to do them anymore! SBC said that there were problems with the casing weakening and that peugeot sport have stoped doing them. I have also tried demon tweeks but they no longer stock them. SBC suggested a power steering rack, which as i'm having the hefty xu10j4rs engine would make sence and I think i'm going to go down that route. Can anyone suggest which rack to go for and from what model please? Thanks, Jamie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jrod 7 Posted December 12, 2007 When they said power steering rack they probably mean with the power assistance. That's what I'm currently running but am planning on going for a proper quick rack soon. Peter lloyd do them but i'm not sure if they are Quick or just recon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin W 0 Posted December 12, 2007 AB Motorsport used to sell them so I'd give them a call if I were you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simes 248 2 Cars Posted December 12, 2007 I run a PAS rack with all the evidence of assistance removed, it does quicken it a little over the non-PAS rack. Technically it is an MOT failure as it is PAS not working but my tester has yet to notice it in over 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_M 66 1 Cars Posted December 13, 2007 Not sure about AB Motorsport, but West Midlands do them and sell them built or as a kit. I'm currently transforming a rack to quickrack (2.5 turns lock to lock) but won't be able to give any feedback as my 205 is getting a full suspension/steering refurb. Not cheap though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jumpkin205 Posted December 15, 2007 Thanks for the help guys i'll have to do a bit more digging i think. I'll let you know how I get on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted December 15, 2007 I have used the AB kit on two of my road cars for over 40k miles with no bother, can't go back to the normal rack now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McPikie 0 Posted December 16, 2007 So you just tear a PAS rack off and remove all the rams and gubbins from them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James_m 0 Posted December 16, 2007 So you just tear a PAS rack off and remove all the rams and gubbins from them? Correct. One of the best mods you can make to a 205 in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James_m 0 Posted December 16, 2007 Not sure about AB Motorsport, but West Midlands do them and sell them built or as a kit. I'm currently transforming a rack to quickrack (2.5 turns lock to lock) but won't be able to give any feedback as my 205 is getting a full suspension/steering refurb. Not cheap though! How much are they out of interest? they are not listed on the website. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McPikie 0 Posted December 17, 2007 Correct. One of the best mods you can make to a 205 in my opinion. Does the non PAS column fit, or do you need EVERYthing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simes 248 2 Cars Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) Does the non PAS column fit, or do you need EVERYthing? You need the lower half of the PAS column. Edited December 17, 2007 by Simes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_M 66 1 Cars Posted December 18, 2007 (edited) How much are they out of interest? they are not listed on the website. The kit cost me £100 from WMMS, thats for the new rack and pinion. I also bought a bronze bearing that replaces the plastic item that usually collapses after hard use. You need a new bearing for the pinion too, luckily my work had a load on the shelf I had loads of trouble with all my PAS racks with them giving sloppy feel around centre after several thousand hard miles. Personally, I don't feel a de-PAS'd rack is a long term solution to gaining a quickrack Edited December 18, 2007 by Alan_M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C_W 3 1 Cars Posted December 19, 2007 I had loads of trouble with all my PAS racks with them giving sloppy feel around centre after several thousand hard miles. That's how mine was - a bit sloppy around the centre, but I don't know why as it didn't seem to exhibit any play and there's no reason it should be any different just because it's not got the power assistance as it's still a mechanical connection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackherer 543 Posted December 19, 2007 I think mine is the same, but there is no way I can go back to a manual rack now, I've driven a couple of 205s recently with manual racks and now I'm used to the quicker one they feel very slow. Quickrack time I guess. Quaife are supposed to be introducing one which should be good... http://www.quaife.co.uk/Peugeot-205-GTi-RH...7-spline-driven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James_m 0 Posted December 19, 2007 Ive experianced the play too, but i think even with slight play its much much better than the standard rack. I was also looking at the quaife rack.... hope they update the website soon. Anybody actually tried a quick rack? im a bit concerned 2.5 lock to lock might be too quick, or more to the point heavy for a road car? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackherer 543 Posted December 19, 2007 Anybody actually tried a quick rack? im a bit concerned 2.5 lock to lock might be too quick, or more to the point heavy for a road car? That concerns me too but if its an issue I plan to fit a late corsa electric power steering column. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
16v205 9 Posted December 19, 2007 My 2.5 quick rack made the steering heavier than standard but not enough to really be an issue, Just replacing worn out bits eg fitting new top strut bearings made parking speeds easy enough and once moving at anything over walking speed you wont notice the weight. Saying this I will be fitting pas once the new engine goes in after christmas, reason being im using a tranx diff and ive had enough of going in random directions when the diff is doing its job. When it locks it takes the steering wheel and your arms with it in the direction it wants to go. If I could rebuild my quick rack into a pas rack id be very happy. Rich Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saveloy 8 Posted December 20, 2007 The reason for the slight play around centre for the PAS rack, is due to the design. It takes a touch of movement before the assistance is activated. So without the PAS connected you can simply feel the small tolerance, before the rack begins to bite. I've had a Peugeot Sport quick rack for years, and although it is very heavy at parking speed, once going it is fabulous. The standard rack seems very slow in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C_W 3 1 Cars Posted December 20, 2007 The reason for the slight play around centre for the PAS rack, is due to the design. It takes a touch of movement before the assistance is activated. So without the PAS connected you can simply feel the small tolerance, before the rack begins to bite.I've had a Peugeot Sport quick rack for years, and although it is very heavy at parking speed, once going it is fabulous. The standard rack seems very slow in comparison. I understand that it needs some torque at teh wheel to operate the PAS but the phsycial connection of the steering column to the rack is mechanical and on a normal pinion and rack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave G 0 Posted December 20, 2007 i had a quick rack on my previous track car and found it great for the tighter hillclimb style events but the longer faster tracks didnt really make use of its potential, worth the money though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saveloy 8 Posted December 23, 2007 The steering on my mum's 309 GTI had a small degree of play around the centre. As have most of the cars I've driven with PAS. I don't know why then. I will have to ponder some more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snillet 1 Posted December 24, 2007 The steering on my mum's 309 GTI had a small degree of play around the centre. As have most of the cars I've driven with PAS. I don't know why then. I will have to ponder some more. As i know of, most PAS racks have a small mechanical play in the gearing, which is not noted when the hydraulics is up because the amount of pressure needed to move the hydraulics is so high that the gear play doesn´t matter, and the use of the play comes in when you start to move the wheel, then you "mostly" move the valves for the hydraulics before you start to move the horisontal rack gearing with the pinion, which means the assistance is getting into motion just slightly before the gearing start to move the rack. That doesn not always work as it shoudl though, and i often feel that worn PAS systems are VERY inaccurate in the centerposition. For example if you go in a straight line at high speed, you can turn the wheel just a tiiiny tiiiny bit and you feel no resistance, but after a little while the car starts to turn in that direction . It´s like, i want to move right slowly in a bout 20 seconds so i move the wheel 0.5degrees and wait *laughing*. It´s not a very good system for trackuse but during normal "everyday driving" it´s OK, but not more then ok in my opinion. How are the PAS systems constructed on REAL rallycars for example ?, i bet it´s a bit different ?, anyone know ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
