Grim.Badger 15 Posted June 18, 2007 On my last car I scoundged around scrapyards for a pair of good driving lights and managed to get a pair off a GT or similar. These had plastic reflectors with a silver coating. Now imagine my surprise when I took my GTis lights off last week and they crumble into a rusty pile Now, why were the scrapyard one different and has anyone come across this before? They had SIEM lenses iirc and where can I find the idiot who decided the best material to make GTi driving lamp reflectors out of was steel? (I presume they were steel as they definitely look like rust now rather than ancient deteriorated plastic). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richie-Van-GTi 73 2 Cars Posted June 18, 2007 new headlights are fairly cheap anyway from GSF or euro parts. No idea if they are plastic or metal inside, I just know they are genuine valeo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t16ryan 1 Posted June 18, 2007 I dont think its headlights hes after i bought 6 sets of driving lights usually £40 the pair i got them for £27 as i bought 6 sets, but £40 aint bad and they change the whole look of the car i have seen loadsa different sorts with different lenses on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) Hehe yeah Badger the OEM ones had a metal reflector painted with some mirror finish stuff. I was going through all my bulbs and found my O/S driving light was out, eventually got the cover off and half of the reflector fell out in a rusty crumbly pile. Bodged a connection so it will be ok on the MOT (if they even check driving lights) but really need to get a new pair. I wonder how much they are from pug... Edit: Ooh where'd you get them Ryan? Maybe get several sets and make a few quid on eBay?? Edited June 18, 2007 by Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanG Dorset 0 Posted June 18, 2007 I dont think its headlights hes after i bought 6 sets of driving lights usually £40 the pair i got them for £27 as i bought 6 sets, but £40 aint bad and they change the whole look of the car i have seen loadsa different sorts with different lenses on And where did they come from? Bodged a connection so it will be ok on the MOT (if they even check driving lights) but really need to get a new pair. I wonder how much they are from pug... I think they are about £30 each! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackherer 543 Posted June 18, 2007 Bodged a connection so it will be ok on the MOT (if they even check driving lights) They're not part of the test, although I think you might fail if only one works or they are aimed badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t16ryan 1 Posted June 18, 2007 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-205-GTI-XS-3...1QQcmdZViewItem they are same as these , i got them a while back from pisces panels near me, as i got them in bulk he done a deal, i didnt sell any of them i use them as most GTis i buy have crappy lights in them and makes it look alot nicer with nice new shiny ones in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim.Badger 15 Posted June 18, 2007 Bodged a connection so it will be ok on the MOT (if they even check driving lights) but really need to get a new pair. I wonder how much they are from pug... I've removed the lense, reflector and wiring for mine so there is no way it can fail as they can't claim they don't work as there is nothing there but the black plastic backing. And yes it's driving lights not headlights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted June 18, 2007 They're not part of the test, although I think you might fail if only one works or they are aimed badly. Yeah that was the point really, I wanted both or neither working so just put a link wire in where the spade terminal has corroded off my one. Alignment should be fine. Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richie-Van-GTi 73 2 Cars Posted June 18, 2007 sorry, my bad. Must learn to read and think at same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t16ryan 1 Posted June 18, 2007 They're not part of the test, although I think you might fail if only one works or they are aimed badly. Its not a fail if only 1 works as its not a tested item, So the aimm doesnt matter either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackherer 543 Posted June 18, 2007 Its not a fail if only 1 works as its not a tested item, So the aimm doesnt matter either The reversing light isn't part of the test either but if it comes on at the wrong time it is a definite fail so as the driving lights come on with main beam I wouldn't be surprised if they were too. Any MOT testers reading this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t16ryan 1 Posted June 18, 2007 yep me its not a fail if only 1 working theymay advise you but thats all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil H 16 Posted June 18, 2007 New driving lights from Peugeot are about £43 + vat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richard 0 Posted June 19, 2007 what each?!!! they were around 32+4.50 for the surrounds each the last time i bought them (from pug) Reversing light is definitely not a fail..both dont have working reverse lights, and neither are the driving lamps a fail either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dch1950 37 1 Cars Posted June 19, 2007 Hi all, If you want a cheaper set of driving lights try page 56 of the Vehicle Wiring products catalogue. 1 pair of RING lamps £17.79. Not bad value for a stop gap. regards Dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_the_Sparky 10 Posted June 19, 2007 In answer to the original question: I've never come across plastic backed SIEM driving lights. AFAIK originals were all backed with steel and crumble as you describe. Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim.Badger 15 Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) In answer to the original question: I've never come across plastic backed SIEM driving lights. AFAIK originals were all backed with steel and crumble as you describe. Rob I'm really begining to regret not stripping that car down before it was scrapped; I know how to re-silver the plastic ones. Anyone else come across plastic backed lights, Siem or not? They may not have been Siem as I know I changed at least one of the lenses. It may help to say that the lenses were originally orange as well Edited June 19, 2007 by Grim.Badger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocky 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Hi Guys, I have new driving lights on my Mi. But they only work when i have the main headlights on full beam! Is this normal or are they wired incorrectly? And how could i rectify the situation? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t16ryan 1 Posted June 21, 2007 Thats what there meant to do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocky 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Perfect! Ok thanks mate! I thought they were more like fog lights, which on my old ford you can turn on even if your sidelights were on! So these driving lights cannot be on for fashion then as they will damge other motorists eyes!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,666 Posted June 21, 2007 In answer to the original question: I've never come across plastic backed SIEM driving lights. AFAIK originals were all backed with steel and crumble as you describe. Rob my Siem units were plastic backed and metal reflector, and the GSF supplied ones (£24 part number T94912) were identical they are also THE correct ones, every seller on ebay seems to try and fob people off that the units they are selling are they right ones but they're very obviously not! Its also unusual for a 405 to have spot lamps as most had them wired up as fogs, but the spot/fog unit on the 309 GTi/Goodwood is the same (part number and all) as the lamp 405. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
