acox99 74 1 Cars Posted April 24, 2007 iv searched but cant find anything what brakes fit a 205, i know 306 gti-6 ones do, but do they need any mods? iv also heard that a set on nissan brakes go on, is this a lie? can anyone help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pug_ham 244 3 Cars Posted April 25, 2007 What exactly did you search for to find nothing concrete? There is loads of info on here about this. 306 GTi-6 & 206 GTi 180 brakes fit straight on to 1.9 GTi hubs but all that will fit a 1.6 GTi hubs is an aftermarket kit. (Wilwood etc). Only mod they might need is down to you if you want to fit a biogger master cylinder due to the bigger piston in the caliper & you're unhappy with the pedal travel. Graham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baz 421 Posted April 25, 2007 The 266mm setup from your 306 HDi will do!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richard 0 Posted April 25, 2007 ive 'only' got standard calipers, mintex 1144 pads, brembo discs. stops the car as quick as the tyres and road will allow..... if you add gti6 brakes it will add to the rotational weight of the wheel...requiring more power to get up to speed..and more effort to brake. Im sure i'll get shot down in flames, but you can only brake as hard as your TYRES and road surface will allow. If your tracking it, then the above probably wont do, but for everyday use? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEKNOPUG 3 Posted April 25, 2007 Im sure i'll get shot down in flames, but you can only brake as hard as your TYRES and road surface will allow. This is true but the bigger the discs, the more heat that they can dissipate and therefore the less susceptible to fade. If you fit 206 GTi 180 brakes you'll need to lengthen the brake pipes to pass and MoT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Batfink 201 Posted April 25, 2007 i'll reitterate what richard said. To stop quicker upgrade your suspension and your tyres, then look at brakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rippthrough 98 Posted April 25, 2007 Personally I'd try decent pads and run brake ducting before thinking about bigger discs, it's an easy upgrade but it's still a compromise if you don't require it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars Posted April 25, 2007 i agree with the comment on getting decent tyres, then work your way up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baz 421 Posted April 25, 2007 Have to agree that std 1.9 brakes work absolutely fine if kept in good shape, with decent pads and fluid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inferno 1 Posted April 25, 2007 ive 'only' got standard calipers, mintex 1144 pads, brembo discs.Im sure i'll get shot down in flames, but you can only brake as hard as your TYRES and road surface will allow. ill agree with you here, really dont see the point in upgrading brakes, itll encourage you to drive faster and rely on them more. my brake pads last for years and stop me when i need to stop. never had an issue with 1.6 or 1.9 brakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baz 421 Posted April 25, 2007 I suppose it really depends on what you do with the car like anything. I've never had a problem with 1.6 brakes for the road, but would prefer decent 1.9's on track, they feel that little bit better. I only bought my Wilwoods as the car is used for sprints they're nice and light, and work really well, where important time can be made! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petert 587 Posted April 27, 2007 ive 'only' got standard calipers, mintex 1144 pads, brembo discs. stops the car as quick as the tyres and road will allow..... if you add gti6 brakes it will add to the rotational weight of the wheel...requiring more power to get up to speed..and more effort to brake. Im sure i'll get shot down in flames, but you can only brake as hard as your TYRES and road surface will allow. If your tracking it, then the above probably wont do, but for everyday use? I've been mulling over this for last 24 hours and Richard speaks the truth. I'm in process of upgrading to GTi180 caipers/disc and I can't believe the weight it's costing me. Even the Brembo 406 calipers weigh less than the GTi180 calipers. I'm actually considering going back to the 266mm HDi setup, but with better pads. A friend has just acquired me some "Endless" racing pads. Apparently they make your eye balls pop out when used on a GTi180. They're in a different class altogether to 1144, 1155, DS2500, 3000, Green, Red etc. They cure the problem of the GTi180 caliper flexing/bending under extreme pressure as you don't need to push as hard on the pedal. The GTi180 calipers aren't nearly as rigid as the GTi6 or HDi caliper. So if I feel the little 205 is over braked with the Endless/180 setup I'm going back to the HDi setup. Less mass, greater choice of wheels, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rex 1 Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) I've been mulling over this for last 24 hours and Richard speaks the truth. I'm in process of upgrading to GTi180 caipers/disc and I can't believe the weight it's costing me. Yeah they are heavy aren't they? I have some from a Lotus Elize and can't believe how light they are in comparison. Still, the Brembo's just look so damned good I just had to have 'em Edited April 27, 2007 by rex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James_R 3 Posted April 27, 2007 ive 'only' got standard calipers, mintex 1144 pads, brembo discs. stops the car as quick as the tyres and road will allow..... if you add gti6 brakes it will add to the rotational weight of the wheel...requiring more power to get up to speed..and more effort to brake. Im sure i'll get shot down in flames, but you can only brake as hard as your TYRES and road surface will allow. If your tracking it, then the above probably wont do, but for everyday use? I'm with Richard too, I use std calipers and discs all round and DS2500 pads in the front and ferodo prem's in the back. Never get fade, even doing triple laps at the ring, or a full 20min session at anglesey. Cheaper to replace discs and pads, lighter and no hassle. I often get cars having to dive up the side of me when I brake late in to a corner as they dont' expect the car to slow down that fast. Plus pedal feel is still 100% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyepan 291 Posted April 27, 2007 Had stock 1.6 setup - it faded badly after a few heavy stops. Had stock 1.6 plus mintex m1144 - not too bad at all, lots of bite and no fade. but with the MI in I felt I needed more stopping power. Now using the 283mm 307hdi setup, using ferodo ds2500 pads, and its all the braking you could need, if your progressive on the pedal, its like hitting a wall., for the price it was an extremely effective fast road package. But the cost is weight, its 10kgs extra unsprung weight from the basic 1.6 setup, and probably 5 more than the standard 1.9 setup. If your a track monkey, you could spend a bit more and go for a light weight option like willwoods, that also uses a 280mm ish disc. If you want proper brakes, your looking at alcon or AP racing, but they both cost over a grand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPGTi 2 Posted April 27, 2007 . A friend has just acquired me some "Endless" racing pads. They are seriously expensive in the UK Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gti_al 1 Posted April 29, 2007 What do you guys pay for m1144/ds2500 etc? I have driven a few cars with standard setups and uprated pads, and mine stops better with the 180 setup and cheap crap pads. There is obviously a weight trade off, but for a road car that doesn't worry me. I am yet to cook them anyway... For a budget upgrade i don't think you can go wrong with the 283mm setup - mine feels better than the 406 coupe i am driving now, or the M3 setup on my day to day car. I would like more initial bite, but my current pads were free so i can't compain... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
