Guest donny206 Posted March 19, 2007 I have been told that such a thing is avaiable to try and cure the problem with having Sh!t ma gearboxes! Can anyone confirm this and where they are available from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPGTi 2 Posted March 19, 2007 I presume this is mating a BE box to a TU engine. Search and you will find (maybe !?!) For starters think 307 1.6. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonnie205 1 Posted March 19, 2007 I am not sure what the bellhousing they used but the 206 super cup cars had this combination. BE to TU engine. This is a well worthwhile mod cos the MA are boxes are complete and utter w%$k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted March 19, 2007 (edited) The 307 etc TU BE boxes are BE4R. There's several issues to overcome (clutch actuation, mount, driveshaft support bracket, selecting linkages), but the biggest and most annoying thing is the incompatibility between the BE4R secondary shaft and the BE3 3/4th cluster, which means you have to use entirely BE3 internals or BE4R 3/4th cluster (not as nice ratios). It's not a big deal, but sadly it means the shorter BE4R final drives aren't as useful as they might be and the younger bearings/synchros can't be re-used entirely. Edited March 19, 2007 by sandy309 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest donny206 Posted March 19, 2007 rigth got ya, thank you, now i dont have a clue what to do lol, ive tried getting hold of the 307 be4r box before and havent had any look really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TT205 42 Posted March 19, 2007 (edited) Mike from Team Geen Racing has had these fabricated in the past. Ring him - 07751948501 Dave Edited March 19, 2007 by TT205 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 19, 2007 No need to fabricate anyhting. The BE4 box off a 307 1.6 is plug and play. Hilgert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TKH 0 Posted March 19, 2007 Peugeot Sport do a TU to BE bellhousing but there not cheap. But many cars come with the BE4 on a TU engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 20, 2007 Almost Yes minor issues like the clutch conversion from hydrolic to cable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted March 20, 2007 Slightly harder with RHD because the 206 GTi bits don't work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 20, 2007 aha....why is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christopher 5 1 Cars Posted March 20, 2007 Hilgie, I'm sure I asked this before but not sure I got a 100% answer.. How does this 307 1.6 BE box compare in ratios to a short ratio TU box (Like that from a 205 XS or 106 1.3 Rallye)? Are they going to be longer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 20, 2007 I think they are about the same....due to the 307 being quite heavy you need short ratios to get the thing moving...but I am not sure.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted March 20, 2007 The 206 GTi has hydralic clutch in RHD, so there's no RHD cable arrangement The 307's etc are all hydralic. The LHD cable isn't long enough etc. The 307 gears are: 3.45:1 1.87:1 1.25:1 0.95:1 0.795:1 FDR's i've had are 4.29:1 and 4.52:1, but there are others. Take the 4.52 for example and you get the following top speeds at 7500rpm on 195/50/15 tyres: 1st 31.7mph 2nd 58.5mph 3rd 87.5mph 4th 115.2mph 5th 137.6mph Yawning gap from 1st-2nd and 3rd-4th, fifth it too short compared to 4th! MA "sport" ratios with 4.29 (XS, Euro Rallye): 1st 33.8mph 2nd 59.2mph 3rd 84.9mph 4th 110.0mph 5th 136.0mph Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest donny206 Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) Right well i have already converted my car from hydralic clutch to cable so it would be just changing the gearbox end, it ok saying lots of cars come with be4r boxes and everything else is a straight swap other then the clucth but no one ever seems to have a certain yes, it will swap, fit and just use the origional shafts etc?? I also have tried finding one of these (be4r) for ages now and can not tell if the boxes on 307's are ma or be4r and again knows every said how u can tell because every one ive seen just looks like an MA box?? Grr help lol, cheers guys Edited March 21, 2007 by donny206 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPGTi 2 Posted March 21, 2007 A friend is running the BE4R box on his 1.4 TU engined rally car. It fitted without too much trouble (with a few pointers from Sandy), but at Weston Park he found the ratios much too long and wasn't able to get out of 3rd. The gearbox came out of a 307 1.6 and he used the cable gear shift setup. Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 21, 2007 The 307 1.4s have an MA box, but the 1.6-16V have BE4R boxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest donny206 Posted March 22, 2007 Can anyone show me what they look like because i have a 2004 1.6 16V 307 box at home with cable shift but it looks exactly like an MA box!!?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilgie 16 2 Cars Posted March 22, 2007 This is what a BE4R box on a 1.6-16V engine looks like: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
