Best Value Management System Available?

[Gtiracer 0]

Hi guys, Im really close to getting throttle bodies now and could do with some advice on engine management as tbh i know next to nowt.

 

I have spoken to Jenvey and KMS and spoken about the Omex600 and KMS ECU they were offering, but i would like to hear your opinions as to what you've used and also as important, the price of the whole management set-up and exactly what is needed for this side of it.

 

I've seen prices and parts vary from £550 to £1000 so i don't know what you have to buy and what is optional, so if someone wouldn't mind creating a list of the necessaries and the optional that would be great.

 

Many Thanks

 

 

Alex

Edited October 30, 2006 by Gtiracer

[Jonmurgie 2]

Try a search on KMS and Omex to find out some more info, there have been several threads on KMS recently as a few folk have used it now. Personally if it were a choice between the 2 I would personally go KMS as it seems best value for money if your not planning on anything more funky than an Mi on Bodies

[Banjo 1]

You should go with who ever is mapping its favorite as that way you should get good results.

[Gtiracer 0]

Im open to suggestions really - those are just two that have been discussed with the companies, but obviously KMS are going to be biased and Jenvey probably only stock/sell OMex ECu's so again - biased.

 

I've seen Megasquirt, Alpha, Emerald etc (im sure there are others) and i don't understand megasquirt at all, I have plans for future power hikes as well, so need something adjustable in future (but i dont know if this is a standard thing on aftermarket ECU's anyway?)

 

thanks guys

Edited October 30, 2006 by Gtiracer

[Jonmurgie 2]

Well it all essentially does the same sh!t (except the top end stuff) so as Banjo points out you should perhaps choose who you want to do the mapping and discuss it with them as most mappers have their preferred stuff and will make the mapping process much quicker and therefore cheaper

[Gtiracer 0]

Ok, thank you

[smckeown 1]

Another way to compare ECUs is against the features you would like initially or in the future. Like data logging, traction control, closed loop lambda control. Some ECUs are cheap because they offer less of these features, which is fine if you never want them

 

Sean

[cybernck 402 1 Cars]

when comparing, don't forget Emerald will give you 5-10% of 205gtidrivers.com members discount .

 

plus you'll have an extremely experienced mapper working on your car!

[Batfink 201]

Just to throw in another manufacturer - DTA ecu's are pretty good

[petert 586]

Value for money, the Haltech E6X still reigns supreme. Heaps of features, easy to set up, with enough outputs to do full sequential inj. and direct fire on a 4 cyl. if necessary. Have a look at the review I did on the Guy Croft forum:

http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php?t=467

 

If you wanted something race quality, military spec. and bullet proof, then go Autronic or Motec. Emerald doesn't rate with any of these. If you do nothing else, check out all the great set up tools here: http://www.autronic.com/page_files/software.htm

[rich_w 0]

When I was bored many months ago I couldnt find a sensible priced Haltech in this country - I haven't looked recently though.

 

Best value is VEMS - 300 quid + P&P for a built unit - but this includes no leads (just needs a serial lead to program) and uses the megasquirt software. They do a made up loom as well which is cheap and theres a few options as well.

 

I would comment on how they work expect I havent finished mine

[petert 586]

When I was bored many months ago I couldnt find a sensible priced Haltech in this country - I haven't looked recently though.

 

They're AUS$1250 down under, including a flying loom kit and sensors.

[smckeown 1]

They're AUS$1250 down under, including a flying loom kit and sensors.

 

That's 506 GBP, very good value for money indeed

[rich_w 0]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/105161.htm

 

Is the best idea I can find for a price - refence to 650 quid new, but doesnt say what was included...

[Gtiracer 0]

So looking on this page of the comapnies website http://www.haltechstore.com/Kits.aspx would i be just as well off with a E6GMX Kit for $1190 AUD = £483.40 excl p&p?

 

just found out shipping is an extra $120AUD = £49 almost

 

Would this be a good choice of management system, or is there a better value one out there that anybody knows of?

Edited November 1, 2006 by Gtiracer

[petert 586]

So looking on this page of the comapnies website http://www.haltechstore.com/Kits.aspx would i be just as well off with a E6GMX Kit for $1190 AUD = £483.40 excl p&p?

 

just found out shipping is an extra $120AUD = £49 almost

 

Would this be a good choice of management system, or is there a better value one out there that anybody knows of?

 

The E6GMX is a direct replacement for a GM ECU. So unless you've got a GM loom and sensors in your car it would be useless.

[veloce200 3]

rather than posting on the forum why don't you call dealers who sell more than one make of ECU - they could talk you through the benefits of each and may even do you a deal on price?

[Gtiracer 0]

rather than posting on the forum why don't you call dealers who sell more than one make of ECU - they could talk you through the benefits of each and may even do you a deal on price?

 

Because unfortunately i havent found a supplier that does stock more than one make yet

 

And this forum is the best place to get a whole host of opinions and technical baffle due to the fantastic people we have on here

Edited November 1, 2006 by Gtiracer

[Gtiracer 0]

Are these good prices and has anybody shopped from this company before (DMRR)?

 

LINK to DMRR

[smckeown 1]

Because unfortunately i havent found a supplier that does stock more than one make yet

 

And this forum is the best place to get a whole host of opinions and technical baffle due to the fantastic people we have on here

 

 

http://www.BalanceMotorsport.co.uk

 

They supply more than 1 brand and know the pro's and con's of ECUs

Edited November 1, 2006 by smckeown

[Gtiracer 0]

http://www.BalanceMotorsport.co.uk

 

They supply more than 1 brand and know the pro's and con's of ECUs

 

 

Good find thanks, will give them a call, just hope they aren't one of the companies that steer me to the most expensive route because its better for their bank account.

 

Cheers again all.

[mos 1]

if i can just hijack this thread for a moment!

 

my understanding so far is that for a simple n/a throttle body set up one of the cheaper systems such as KMS is more than enough and its only if you require extra functionality that the likes of Motec make more sense.

have i got this wrong?

i.e would it be of benefit to me to fit a good spec Motec unit instead of the KMS using a 16v N/A engine and throttle bodies setup?

would i see more power/torque/smoother delivery across the range for example on the same engine using a Motec ECU instead of a KMS for example?

my current thinking is there is no real need for me to use the more expensive kit for what i will be running as it won't make my engine any smoother or more powerful than say the KMS that i about to buy will.

 

am i right/wrong?

 

thanks

 

mark

[smckeown 1]

if i can just hijack this thread for a moment!

 

my understanding so far is that for a simple n/a throttle body set up one of the cheaper systems such as KMS is more than enough and its only if you require extra functionality that the likes of Motec make more sense.

have i got this wrong?

i.e would it be of benefit to me to fit a good spec Motec unit instead of the KMS using a 16v N/A engine and throttle bodies setup?

would i see more power/torque/smoother delivery across the range for example on the same engine using a Motec ECU instead of a KMS for example?

my current thinking is there is no real need for me to use the more expensive kit for what i will be running as it won't make my engine any smoother or more powerful than say the KMS that i about to buy will.

 

am i right/wrong?

 

thanks

 

mark

 

If your serios then do some searching / researching on here about the pros and cons of different ECUs, as well as what features are actually important. IMO you get some things with motec you don't get with KMS, but you also get some features with LMS you don't get with MOTEC M4. It really depends on what you want. But at tha e end of the day, you can get substancially more features/benefits from cheaper ECUs than MOTEC. MOTEC are more for race cars im my opinion (or for people that can get cheap MOTEC maping)

 

So have a read about ECUs like Emerald, OMEX, DTA, Hatlech, there's good info on this site...

 

Sean