Bilstein Gpa

[chunkymonkey 0]

how do

 

im seriously considering buying these front struts for my 205 gti heres a link

 

http://www.wmmotorsport.com/acatalog/p205-fnt-susp.html

 

i have also seen these too but they seem much more money ??

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-205-309-GTi-...2QQcmdZViewItem

 

which is the the way to go? do any of you guys use the bilstein groupA set ups ?

if so what would you expect to pay for them

i have read most of the suspension posts but i havent heard a mention of these??

 

thanks

Edited September 6, 2006 by chunkymonkey

[Craigb 2]

These are the standard issue front struts for the 205 challenge and scholarship. It really depends what you are looking for from your set up. These units are proven to be strong enough for forest/ Tarmac rallies etc . If it is road or track use there may be better alternatives.

 

I run this set up on the front of my road rally car , The GpN version and i am more than happy with it. te differnce betweeen the GpA and The GpN is only the top mount , The Gpn Uses the origional mount , whereas the GpA uses a spherical bearing and alloy housing .

Edited September 6, 2006 by Craigb

[welshpug 1,657]

how do

 

im seriously considering buying these front struts for my 205 gti heres a link

 

http://www.wmmotorsport.com/acatalog/p205-fnt-susp.html

 

i have also seen these too but they seem much more money ??

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-205-309-GTi-...2QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

theyre both the same...

[SPGTi 2]

how do

 

im seriously considering buying these front struts for my 205 gti heres a link

 

http://www.wmmotorsport.com/acatalog/p205-fnt-susp.html

 

i have also seen these too but they seem much more money ??

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-205-309-GTi-...2QQcmdZViewItem

 

which is the the way to go? do any of you guys use the bilstein groupA set ups ?

if so what would you expect to pay for them

i have read most of the suspension posts but i havent heard a mention of these??

 

thanks

 

 

The price quoted by WMMS is each, the ebay link is for the pair.

 

Also try Shenpar.

 

Steve

[chunkymonkey 0]

thanks for your input on this one

 

im going to run the car on the road. im hoping to build the car to a decent spec so i can enjoy a visit to the odd track day each month

 

whilst ive been reading the archives on the billie set up i have found an article that states the the billie groupA to high is this so?

 

as for other sugestions im all ears.what i dont want is cheap muck that looks pretty and doesnt deliver the goods

 

thx

Edited September 6, 2006 by chunkymonkey

[chunkymonkey 0]

sorry the post above should say that ive read posts sugesting that the gpa billies sit rather high?? is this correct? and does it affect the car in any way

thx

Edited September 6, 2006 by chunkymonkey

[Craigb 2]

sorry the post above should say that ive read posts sugesting that the gpa billies sit rather high?? is this correct? and does it affect the car in any way

thx

 

Where they sit , depends on what springs you fit , and where you set the spring pans, as they are adjustable . We did the mewla rally the other weekend , and some of the Scholarship cars were in full tarmac trim ( low ride hieght)

[philfingers 5]

I've run GpA gravel set up on my 309 road rally car. I used the car for a time to commute between Aberdeen and Birmingham for work (430 miles). It's fine on the motorway. Noisey from the solid top mounts but no major issues, keep them greased up so they don't corrode. Height wise I set it to std ride height, no rpoblems either. They're expensive but they're the best. There are cheaper options, but they don't last so long!

[Jonmurgie 2]

Chunky... why not post up the advice I gave you when I replied to your PM, see what the others think

[chunkymonkey 0]

Chunky... why not post up the advice I gave you when I replied to your PM, see what the others think

 

Hi Gary,

 

Many thanks for your kind words... sometimes I do wonder why I both doing all this to a 205 but when you drive it you kind of understand, though I haven't driven a 205 since March so am beginning to wonder again..

 

With regard to suspension, you may know that I had the Bilstein GrpA stuff up front for over a year, but last summer switched to a full AST Setup (supplied by PowerStation). All I can say is that it's MUCH better on the AST stuff and I'd recommend it over Bilstein and even Gaz (which is pretty much just cheap and cheerful!). I believe the kit is around £620 + VAT through PowerStation and the best bit is you can discuss with Curtis @ PowerStation (the guy who deals with the suspension) your exact requirements and he can setup the shock for you with a relevant spring/helper that will suit your use.

 

They are also a full service centre so can rebuild the shocks or anything else you need, oh and they obviously fit them as well!

 

The only thing you need to decide is whether to go for some eccentric top mounts (like I have) and to be fair I say do it. It will require PowerStation to modify the AST Struts as they did with mine but again this is something they would be able to do. All in that would see the front suspension complete and the rear shocks for well under 1k

 

As for the rear beam, it's kind of up to you whether you go 205 or 209 though I'm on a 205 one and can't give any opinion on the 309 having never driven a 205 with one fitted. Whatever you go for the best setup seems to be 23mm Torsion Bars and 25mm ARB. Combine that with some solid mounts (cheap from BM Baker) and the AST shocks and you'd have one hell of a solid well handling 205!

 

At the end of the day it's your money and you need to be happy with what you spend it on... IMO and in my experience I would recommend AST's over anything else out there for the 205

 

Let me know if your gonna speak to PowerStation about the AST's and I'll mention it to Curtis

 

Cheers

Jon

[boombang 2]

Is it for a rallycar? If so just ignore the others and get the PTS setup.

 

If its a pure road I wouldn't bother with coilovers at all.

[chunkymonkey 0]

Is it for a rallycar? If so just ignore the others and get the PTS setup.

 

If its a pure road I wouldn't bother with coilovers at all.

pts? ast? its all new to me

would anybody like to educate me

[boombang 2]

Peugeot Talbot Sport - who originally sold the grpN / grp A stuff and as found now through specialtuninguk.co.uk

 

Still haven't said what the car will be used for unless I missed it?

 

 

for the PTS stuff Bilstein only make the inserts - springs for most coilovers are 2.25" and available at a variety of places in any length and rating you want.

[SPGTi 2]

The WMMS and AB Motorsport items at the start of the post are "PTS". The only problem is that these have a strange 70mmId spring which is difficult to find other spring rates for cheaply.

You can get strut bodies from compbrake a lot cheaper than from Special Tuning, WMMS or AB. The Bilstein inserts are available from the 3 companies mentioned + Skip Brown or Shenpar defined as either gravel or tar. Gravel spings are rated @180lb, tar @225lbs. You then decide whether to stick with the oddball PTS size and pay extra or go for spring pans that allow fitment of the cheaper and more readily available 2.25" springs. Eccentric topmounts can be sourced from the companies mentioned that fit directly to the Bilstein insert.

 

The Bilstein vs AST. I spoke to Powerstation about ASTs and was not filled with confidence that on speaking to different people got different prices. Also I think that John is comparing tired Billies with brand new ASTs.

I have the Bilstein setup with eccentric topmounts running gravel inserts with 9" 2.25"id 180lb springs and it was a revelation on my road rally car. It is a well tried and tested setup that seems to handle all terrain with no problems (smooth roads to goat tracks up the side of a hill).

Maybe for a track dedicated car the ASTs are better as you do have adjustability for different tracks. For road rallying with a variety of different surfaces in one event IMHO the adjustability is not as important as you do not know exactly what the surface will be like until you drive it and only drive the road once anyway.

What also swung it for me was that the Billie inserts are a nice thick 40mm which should take lots of abuse.

 

Anyway what will the car be used for.

 

Steve

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Having raced on the AST's I can say that the front's are very good and perform well compared to others including the Bilstein's, The rear's well very bad in my view and I swaped back to the Billies and gained a good 1/2 > 1 sec per lap depending on track.

That was a few years ago so the new one's might have been changed slightly