1.6 With Abs

[Rupertfinch 6]

Hello folks - the topic description pretty much sums it up. Have the original bill of sale which lists abs as a fitted option on my 1.6 gti. Didn't know it had it when i bought it (didn't know much about gti's at all at the time).

What I am wondering is - is it likely my pug was fitted with the same abs system you would find on a 1.9? I know the front discs and pads are girling - the rear is a mystery. If it is the 1.9 system - does that mean that pug upgraded the rear beam? as i thought the original 1.6 couldn't accommodate abs.

 

p.s. took the car to a peugeot dealer (where the service manager gave me a set of unused Mintex pads she had from her beloved pug) but they were unable to tell me if the abs was still functioning, but still charged me anyway.

[Dino 3]

You will probably find that you have a 1.9 rear beam and 1.9 front hubs if memory serves me right.

 

If you have rear brake discs then I am certain that it is a 1.9 set up.

 

I had ABS on my car but I got Miles at Pug Racing to remove it. It really is a poor ABS system and not a patch on modern car systems, hell even my 306 S16 is only 1 year newer than my 205 and the ABS system is far superior.

[M3Evo 0]

Interesting. The ABS on my old 1.9 was the best (in my opinion) I've ever used!

 

It cut in really late and generally didn't interfere with your driving at all.

 

Contrast that with the literally hundreds of new cars I had to drive as a cleaner for Hertz about 5 or 6 years ago where many of the brand new cars would fart the pedal at the mearest hint of a wet road and some need to stop or other.

[Rupertfinch 6]

Cheers Dino.

Out of interest what might I be looking at forking out to remove the ABS?

 

If its crap then I'd like rid, the mechanic at Peugeot did float the suggestion before test time but thankfully I had a very symapthetic MOT inspector who chose to ignore the ABS warning light, he was A 405 Mi16 man whose wife wouldn't allow him to use it to build up the Dimma shell he had sitting at home.

[Dino 3]

Strange that as I always found that the ABS on my 205 cut in too early and I found that it pumped too slowly as well. It DID however save my bacon on 3 seperate occassions. The problem is when you drive an ABS car you get too complacent. Now when I drive the 205 post ABS I have had a couple of scary moments when everyone in front of you stops and my mind automatically tells my right foot to pump the pedal when braking hard if the brakes lock!

 

Rupert, removing the ABS was only part of the job as I had new brakelines fitted (you will need to do this too as a non ABS setup is a different layout unless you want to bodge your existing (and old) brake pipes which isnt advisable. I also had new front pads and discs fitted too not to mention new fluid throughout.

 

It cost me circa £400 inc new discs, pads (GTi6 items), fluid, all new copper brakelines (£150 alone) and labour (£150) to remove ABS and fit the new bits.

[inferno 1]

my ex 1.6 sorrento is abs, and it is all 1.9 brakes setup including hubs ect. the abs ecu is in the boot of mine on the passenger side where the washer bottle would be. a common cause of failure though is water leaking on the abs module under the bonnet, or a faulty senser.

 

my abs works really well. ive had it get me out of 2 sticky situations already, although im quite confident that should it have failed id still be able to pump in time.

[sorr 0]

I have ABS on my car and would leave it on. I agree with M3Evo in that it is a damned good system and has saved me several times. (Did you know in Swindon you can turn right from the left hand lane although signage and common sense shows otherwise, certainly has surprised me on more than one occasion). You may well be able to train yourself to pulse the pedal in a emergency stop situation, but I would rather stamp on the brakes and let the car sort it out. I would place money that the car can pulse the brakes far faster than I can.

 

It may cost a few pounds to fix but may be the difference between a bent car and one that stopped just in time.

[jim21070 2]

I have ABS on my car and would leave it on. I agree with M3Evo in that it is a damned good system and has saved me several times. (Did you know in Swindon you can turn right from the left hand lane although signage and common sense shows otherwise, certainly has surprised me on more than one occasion). You may well be able to train yourself to pulse the pedal in a emergency stop situation, but I would rather stamp on the brakes and let the car sort it out. I would place money that the car can pulse the brakes far faster than I can.

 

It may cost a few pounds to fix but may be the difference between a bent car and one that stopped just in time.

 

Absolutely. I'm normally the last one to advocate any driver aids but I make a big exception for ABS. Although it's not on my 205s, it is on the Cit and so far it has saved a number of cats from a certain death, a few kids being scared witless and no end of saved front bumpers. It is nice to know, as you so rightly say Sorr, that you can just jam on the brakes and let it look after itself.

 

It cost me getting on for £100 to sort out the Cit ABS when I first got the car as some numpty had disabled the warning lamp to disguise the fact the ABS was duff. It was money very well spent. Drive a big hydraulic Cit, which has extremely powerful brakes anyway with and without ABS and the difference is astounding.

 

Get it fixed. It might cost a bit but it'll be worth it. Even if you save the life of just one cat you'll feel it was more than justified.

[welshpug 1,675]

I can vouch for the awesomeness of Citroen brakes and the need for ABS on them, I borrowed a mates CX25 TRi Safari Auto to move house 2 months ago.

 

He was rather bemused at the wobbly and jerky way I drove off in it! (first time in an auto!! plus Diravi steering! )

 

as for ABS on a 205 i'm not sure either way, theyre a light car with plenty of feel, but then theres not much weight to turn a sliding/locked wheel.

 

Geat on a 405 though.

Edited September 4, 2006 by welshpug