Owain1602 0 Posted August 14, 2006 Hi, im just curious if anyone has driven a car with a Millington Diamond engine? Are they as unbelievable as people say? Maybe some comments from PumaRacing if you have ever inspected one internaly? Some unbelievable power being produced from them. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Thomson 6 Posted August 14, 2006 Never driven one or even been in one, but seen plenty in action and 'competed against' a few over the years. Awesome, awesome things. They're good enough for Colin McRae; so they must be absolutely f***ing fantastic. Power's not so unbelievable. Think the most highly strung n/a Millingtons put out about 350bhp from 2.5 litres, which is 140bhp/litre. Ok, that's a lot, but it's not outrageous for a competition engine (ie. one that has to be rebuilt every few events). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Owain1602 0 Posted August 15, 2006 Yes, i have seen a few go in events too, thats what made me curious really. But i havent seen one being driven by a good driver so i dont think they reached their potential. That power/litre would equate to 266bhp out of an 1.9 Mi, dont sound unbelievable does it, but then again i dont know much about tuning an Mi. I do know they sound completely different to all the others, you seen highly tuned XE engines on throttle bodies fly past but a Millington is that much louder again. Does Roy Millington do other engines or is it just the YB? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonmurgie 2 Posted August 15, 2006 Does the fact I've never heard of Millington Diamond mean that I know nothing or just that it's an 'underground' engine build name?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted August 15, 2006 It's loosely based of the Ford "Pinto" engine and the head's quite similar to the YB series (Cosworth engne), but with a bespoke alloy block and entirely bespoke internals, it really is an engine in its own right. The market for a 4 cylinder 2.5 litre engine (various capacities are available) for RWD applications, which costs from about 20k, is fairly limited! But as the ultimate engine for RWD Escorts and such like, it's a legend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Thomson 6 Posted August 15, 2006 Jon, that Escort McRae was driving in that DVD I lent you.... powered by a Millington. But yeah, you obviously know nothing. Wasn't the YB block essentially a Pinto block? The Millington is a refined normally aspirated YB. The head certainly starts life as a Cosworth casting, but gets some serious fettling. They used to use YB blocks and cranks, but these days they're bespoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted August 15, 2006 The YB block is based on the Pinto, but is several different castings to the Pinto. The only thing Millington engines share with the Pinto these days is basic dimensions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumaRacing 2 Posted August 15, 2006 Hi, im just curious if anyone has driven a car with a Millington Diamond engine? Are they as unbelievable as people say? Maybe some comments from PumaRacing if you have ever inspected one internaly? Some unbelievable power being produced from them. Thanks I haven't looked at one in detail but they are used in hillclimbs which customers of mine also run in. I'm sure they produce 300 bhp but some of the higher claims are a bit dubious. For example the Colin McRae car here. http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-sto...p?news_id=14836 It says: The engines for the R4 will be supplied by Millington Racing Engines of Bridgenorth, Shropshire. The first R4 prototype is fitted with a 2.5-litre, four-cylinder engine, normally aspirated, which currently develops 340bhp at 7,900rpm and redlines at 8,700rpm. However, according to Millington: 'It could probably go to 9,500rpm, max.' Peak torque is 245lb-ft at 3,800rpm. 340 bhp at 7,900 is 90 foot lbs per litre. The peak torque is supposedly 98 foot lbs per litre. Not only significantly higher than what other engines tend to produce but how many engines that produce peak power at 8k produce peak torque below 4k? In other press releases the 340 bhp got nudged up to 350 bhp stretching things even further. Not really credible methinks. Maybe it got tested on Hiflow's engine dyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy 191 Posted August 15, 2006 There's a Darrian T9 GTR down here owned by mike tregoning, with a reputed 330bhp Millington engine. At Castle hillclimb recently (steep one, mostly about power to weight), he was only really competeing with the 5 litre single seaters, the smaller ones were struggling against him. if it's not making that power, i'd be very suprised. http://www.rallygallery.com/whole_events/c...28_img_7619.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Owain1602 0 Posted August 15, 2006 A friend of mine's Mk2 XE engine got 297bhp on John Hardman's rolling road. Anyone else used his rolling road? Do you know of him PumaRacing? John Hardman rallies at Anglsey Circuit every time stage events come around, about 10 miles from my house. He has an awsome Fiesta Mk2 1.1 shell with a 450bhp cosworth engine, 4wd, sierra rear suspension and a 6 speed sequencial box. Nice chap too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumaRacing 2 Posted August 15, 2006 A friend of mine's Mk2 XE engine got 297bhp on John Hardman's rolling road. Anyone else used his rolling road? Do you know of him PumaRacing? Nope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Thomson 6 Posted August 15, 2006 I'm inclined to believe that's shoddy journalism rather than Millington talking out of their arse. The engine in McRae's Escort... ... is quoted as producing 335bhp at 7,750rpm with 235lb.ft at 5,600rpm. That seems much more reasonable than what's quoted above. Oh, and that Escort in the hands of God is about as fast as the quickest Irish boys in the latest WRCs on their own stages. Whatever it's producing, it's f***ing rapid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
