Wishbone Bushes - Again

[kate205gti 4]

sorry if this is a re-post but need some pointing in the right direction please!

 

my wishbone bushes are properly fecked! they were second hand peugeot wishbones (not gsf tat) but the amount of play in them is scary

 

so i now need to sort them asap but not sure what the best option is:

 

either replace the bushes from Peugeot http://stuartmcguire.co.uk/pug/GB/205N/3/35B05A.HTM (full kit)

 

replace the bushes with polyflex or polyrace (?) ones from raldes http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog/produ...roducts_id=5113

 

or try and get new wishbones - found this link http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?s...03entry567003 which looks good - wshbones for £100 a pair instead of £100 each from pug if theyre any good??

 

help please!

[Anthony 1,003]

If the balljoints are OK on the wishbones then just replace the bushes.

 

I'd personally go for standard OE Peugeot bushes as they generally seem to last the longest out of everything out there and are cheap as chips (£15 for both sides with new bolts/nuts/washers), although the Rally Design supplied polybushes on my 1.6 do seem to be holding up OK (but they make the ride noticeably more crashy)

[jonnie205 1]

Standard oe ones every time on a 205. Poly ones are superb on other other cars especially all the fords i have tried then on but just dont work on a 205. Nuts and bolts should be ok i would have thought but just make sure they are in the right way round as it does matter, tighten em up once car is tottaly settled on floor (roll it back and fort and rock steering etc).

[kate205gti 4]

thanku for replies looking at the wishbones now one of the balljoints is starting to be on its way out so im buying new febi ones at £105 pair and done with it - will try and get new bolts as well to make sure, what way round should they be fitted?? nut to the back??

 

cheers

[Anthony 1,003]

what way round should they be fitted?? nut to the back??

From memory, the bolts face inwards and the nuts face outwards (ie the rear nut faces the back of the car, and the front nut faces the front of the car)

[jonnie205 1]

correct

[mak 0]

does the orientation of the bolts make any difference? Surely the clamping forces acting on the face of both the nut and bolt are equal.

 

I've always just fitted them whichever way is easiest to get the socket in.

[kate205gti 4]

ive fitted them with the inner most bolts pointing away from each other (front one facing forward, back one facing backwards) and the pinch bolts both facing forwards so hopefully thats right!

 

i measured the distance between the hubnut and the arch and jacked the hub up to the same distance with the wheel off to torque them up as i found it impossible to get a socket in there with the wheel in the way

 

also couldnt find my torque wrench so they all got done up FT will take it for a run later - hopefully theyve solved the squirming!!

[johnrobertgordon 0]

I dont rate the ubrated bushes at all. All they seemed to da was make the front end of my car creak like buggery. I wont pay peugeots prices so i just fit aftermarket ones and they last fine. Cost me £38 a side.

[kate205gti 4]

peugeot bushes were £8 each (plus any discount u can wangle ) so they worked out as much as the poly ones

 

i would have got the pug ones but didnt want to risk the BJ going in a few months so just replaced the whole wishbones - hopefully should last a bit longer!! (12month warranty on these ones anyway!)

[johnrobertgordon 0]

ooops, a little bit missleading my last post was. Cost me £38 each for new wishbones.

[Anthony 1,003]

peugeot bushes were £8 each (plus any discount u can wangle ) so they worked out as much as the poly ones

Unless you buy them in the pack, in which case you get all four bushes, plus new bolts/nuts/washers.... all for £15. Don't ask me how that works....

[Garry 1]

Sorry for the high jack but.....

How do you remove the bushes?

It took me ages to get the rear beam bushes out when I fitted the GrpA kit, is it a similar procedure?

[boombang 2]

I ordered a set of the bushes + bolts earlier - my dealer charges 17.17 all in.

 

I gave the part numbers and he couldn't match them to a car through his system (i.e. it didn't tell him it was 205 or 309 at all!)

[mak 0]

Sorry for the high jack but.....

How do you remove the bushes?

 

Take a day off, buy a lot of beer and put it in the fridge, warn your neighbours theres going to be a lot of swearing, and buy the biggest hammer you can find....not for the job but to hit things with througout the day just to make yourself feel better!

 

They are a pain in the arse to remove. The easiest way is to press them out, I would try and track a garage down that will do it for a few quid if you dont have your own. Because they're rubber you cant really knock them out as the rubber asborbs the hammer blows. There are rings of metal inside the rubber, if you can contact those you might shift them, other than that drill the rubber and fold the things in on themselves.

[kate205gti 4]

josh had a neat trick with bolts and nuts i was just going to get a mate to press them out

[Wurzel 16]

I ordered a set of the bushes + bolts earlier - my dealer charges 17.17 all in.

 

I gave the part numbers and he couldn't match them to a car through his system (i.e. it didn't tell him it was 205 or 309 at all!)

 

 

Burn out the middles with a blow torch (hold your breath though), this leaves the outer metal ring. Cut this or deform it with a screwdriver until it falls out

[Super Josh 4]

josh had a neat trick with bolts and nuts i was just going to get a mate to press them out

 

That makes me sound like a right Cowboy( where's my Stetson )

 

Yeah, I used the blowtorch, hacksaw and chisel method to change the first bush and almost killed myself with the fumes, that and almost setting light to everything within a 3 metre radius. Real PITA

For the other 3 bushes I used a length of M10 studding, a ball race and several suitable sized sockets and M10 nuts and just used the whole set up as mini press and just wound out the bushes, lubed up the new ones and just wound them back in. No blow torch, no fumes, no hacksaw cutting into the wishbone

Piece of cake and would do it this way in the future.

 

 

 

Josh

[mak 0]

I tried using the nut and stud method to get them back in, ended up bending the stud

[Wurzel 16]

You do need to take a bit of care if burning them out.

 

Many ways of doing it though depending on what's at hand I guess. The bushes I had were pretty corroded in (found out when finally removed).

 

Burning them out is a last resort, the end result is the same.

[nick 3]

Sod burning them out, just get a 6mm(or something there abouts) drill bit and drill loads of holes through the rubber all the way round the bush, the inner metal ring should then just knock out. Hacksaw through the outer ring and bang it out with a chisel/screwdriver. It took me all of ten minutes to do two with this method.

 

Nick

[proaxis2 0]

I ordered a set of the bushes + bolts earlier - my dealer charges 17.17 all in.

 

I gave the part numbers and he couldn't match them to a car through his system (i.e. it didn't tell him it was 205 or 309 at all!)

 

 

Have you got he part numbers please.

 

Cheers

[Garry 1]

A previous thread said it was 359907. Although I haven't tried it yet.

[boombang 2]

Aye thats the part number I ordered - will let you know later if its the right one as the parts dept couldn't say one way or the other!

[proaxis2 0]

OK cheers guys