Transfer Gti Parts To Non-gti

[mishu 0]

Hello everyone,

 

I managed to find an unregistered 205 GTi 1.6 that's been laying around for quite some time now. I currently own a 1.1 GR model (5-door), but since I might be able to get that one for free (or something close to it), I was wondering if I could scavenge any useful parts from it for my car. I was planning some work on the interior this summer anyway, this way I might just extend that.

I was wondering in particular about the engine, front and rear axle, windscreen, trunk, instrument cluster, pedals. The car already has some parts taken from it, but there is still quite a bit left.

I'd really like to know if anyone know of any parts that CANNOT be transfered, so that I don't get stuck with an old shell I can't use...

Thanks!

 

mishu

[Grim.Badger 15]

Some bits can't be mixed and matched, but if enough is mounted then you should be fine.

The front brakes need to be fitted with the hubs to get the right offset IIRC.

The lower suspension arms must be fitted with the upper suspension arms/struts and droplink/anti roll bar and subframe.

The instrument panel will need the GTi loom so that it can connect to the engine sensors.

The rear beam will need the inertial compensator fitted as the GTi beams don't have integral ones like the base models, this lives in the engine compartment.

Other than that I think it's all interchangeable, though it's best to take as much off the GTi as possible.

 

Good luck

 

Edited because I forgot the subframe

Edited June 21, 2006 by Grim.Badger

[Pug_101 0]

The rear beam will need the inertial compensator fitted as the GTi beams don't have integral ones like the base models, this lives in the engine compartment.

 

 

Is this to do with the brakes?

[Rob_the_Sparky 9]

Yes but is only true on a 1.6. The standard set-up for a 1.9 uses a different master cylinder and a pair of compensators in the brake lines near the back of the car.

 

Rob

[mishu 0]

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

The front brakes need to be fitted with the hubs to get the right offset IIRC.

 

The 205 GTi i have my eyes on seems to have been stripped a bit as well. As far I could tell (I only looked at it for a few minutes last time) the discs and calipers had also been removed. I suppose the non-GTi discs/calipers/hubs wouldn't fit on those...

 

The lower suspension arms must be fitted with the upper suspension arms/struts and droplink/anti roll bar and subframe.

 

I can get all of those from the GTi, right?

 

The instrument panel will need the GTi loom so that it can connect to the engine sensors.

 

I don't know if I can use the engine at all, so for now I'll have to stick to the carb setup. Anyway, since I plan to strip most of my car down anyway (get a rally style look, and also lose a bit of weight in the process), switching to that engine/loom shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world afterwards, right?

 

The rear beam will need the inertial compensator fitted as the GTi beams don't have integral ones like the base models, this lives in the engine compartment.

 

I have no idea what that is, perhaps you could elaborate a little?

 

Other than that I think it's all interchangeable, though it's best to take as much off the GTi as possible.

 

Good luck

 

That's what I plan on doing, I just hope there's enough of the GTi left. Going to check it out with a mechanic friend tomorrow.

 

Thanks again and sorry if some of the questions are silly, but I don't have experience in this field. That's why I want to do this summer project -- to actually learn something about what I'm driving.

 

mishu

[jackherer 543]

make sure you check the condition of the parts well if its been standing for a while, especially the rear beam.

[mishu 0]

make sure you check the condition of the parts well if its been standing for a while, especially the rear beam.

 

Anything in particular I should check for? I plan to bring a mechanic along, but some extra tips can't hurt...

[scotthall39 0]

Best thing is to basically unbolt everything you can and replace it with youfr standard stuff. this way the gti will be easy to get rid off afterwards.

 

I the engine is being transferred make sure the subframe goes with it due to the extra weight and power

[Grim.Badger 15]

Thanks for the quick reply.

The 205 GTi i have my eyes on seems to have been stripped a bit as well. As far I could tell (I only looked at it for a few minutes last time) the discs and calipers had also been removed. I suppose the non-GTi discs/calipers/hubs wouldn't fit on those...

 

The standard discs/pads/calipers won't fit the 1.6 hubs, but the standard hubs will fit the GTi suspension.

 

I don't know if I can use the engine at all, so for now I'll have to stick to the carb setup. Anyway, since I plan to strip most of my car down anyway (get a rally style look, and also lose a bit of weight in the process), switching to that engine/loom shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world afterwards, right?

 

Shouldn't be too hard if you can get someone to give you a hand, although it will save time if you can get it all done at once.

 

I have no idea what that is, perhaps you could elaborate a little?

 

Rear brakes can't be as strong as the front so are fitted with a device to reduce the hydraulic pressure to stop you locking the rear wheels during heavy brakeing. On base models this is fitted in the hub, 1.6GTis have one in the engine bay with one brake line entering and two exiting. It should be at an angle and will work by decreasing pressure the slower you are going. The 1.9GTi has two inline compensators fitted next to the fuel tank.

 

Thanks again and sorry if some of the questions are silly, but I don't have experience in this field. That's why I want to do this summer project -- to actually learn something about what I'm driving.

 

Don't worry about it, a lot of what I've just said is stuff I've learnt from being on this forum, we've all got to learn somewhere

Edited June 22, 2006 by Grim.Badger

[mishu 0]

The standard discs/pads/calipers won't fit the 1.6 hubs, but the standard hubs will fit the GTi suspension.

 

So i can put the standard hubs/discs/pads/etc. on the GTi 1.6 front axle/suspension? I still need to get a good idea how all those parts go together, but I'll read up on that before I actually get to work

 

Thanks

[jackherer 543]

Anything in particular I should check for? I plan to bring a mechanic along, but some extra tips can't hurt...

 

in terms of the rear beam check that the rear wheels dont have excessive camber, i.e. from the rear the wheels should look like |---| rather than /--| or |--\ or /--\ and also check that the rear of the car moves up and down smoothly with no creaks or groans.

[mishu 0]

There are no wheels on the GTi As I've said, it's missing the hubs, discs, calipers, drums.. I can only probably salvage the anti-roll bar and the axle. I'll have to go look again, I didn't really get a close look. I'll probably visit them on Monday to see what's left to take (and probably take it).

 

BTW, isn't camber related to the suspension? If it is, it doesn't really matter, as I don't think there is any left. Maybe the torsion bar (if that's what it's called). Like I said, I'll have to take a closer look.

 

Do you happen to know if I can put the standard hubs/discs/callipers on the GTi axle? I understand the discs/calipers of the GTi won't fit the non-GTi hub. Or do you mean the ending part of the axle when you say hub, in that I can't put anything non-GTi on a GTi axle?

 

Sorry for all the questions, I just don't know the terminology very well.

 

Thanks,

 

mishu

[Grim.Badger 15]

BTW, isn't camber related to the suspension? If it is, it doesn't really matter, as I don't think there is any left. Maybe the torsion bar (if that's what it's called). Like I said, I'll have to take a closer look.

 

The 205 rear beam is made up of the main beam (a thick tube that runs along the car), anti roll bar (inside the beam), torsion bars (a pair of bars mounted along side the beam), trailing arms (the arms that stick down from the beam and hold the drum brakes), drum/disc brakes mounted on a stub axle. Sorry if that's too much detail. Camber on the rear axle is caused by wear, primarily inside the beam. If you go to the main site there should be an article that describes how to refurbish a rear beam, but should also have plenty of pictures which will show all the components.

 

Do you happen to know if I can put the standard hubs/discs/callipers on the GTi axle? I understand the discs/calipers of the GTi won't fit the non-GTi hub. Or do you mean the ending part of the axle when you say hub, in that I can't put anything non-GTi on a GTi axle?

 

Although the front 1.6 GTi brakes will only fit on the 1.6GTi hubs, I think base model drums can be fitted to the rear beam. If the drum won't fit on the GTi stub axle then you should be able to change around the stub axles.

[mishu 0]

Too much detail? Not at all, this is exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

I just finished reading all the rear beam related articles on the site, and, indeed there are plenty of details and images there.

 

If the drum won't fit on the GTi stub axle then you should be able to change around the stub axles.

 

What do you mean change around the stub axles? Keeping what?

 

BTW, do you happen to know if I can interchange other parts between the GTi and non-GTi version of the rear axle (the lowering arms, screws, plugs, etc.).. I'll have a look in the Peugeot Spare Parts catalog to see exactly which parts are identical, but I thought some of you might know, so...

 

Then there's also the issue of the front axle.. do the same principles apply there? (GTi axle with non-GTi hubs/calipers/etc)?

 

Thank you very much for your replies, I've learned a lot in the last couple of days.

 

mishu

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

If the calipers are there you can use them with 1.9 GTi discs on the hubs your car has fitted so less swapping around is needed & if they've been stood for a while the wheel bearings will probably need changing before use as well. YOu can use your cars driveshafts but if the GTi ones are there they will fit your hubs.

 

The stub axle is the part of the rear beam that the hub fits on, they are longer for the rear discs but all drum brakes are the same size afaik.

 

Windscreen & trnk (rear hatch) will swap straight over to your car.

 

Graham.