216bhp Is Way Too Much For My Std Brakes...need Some Advice

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

Right, 216BHP means basically my front brakes cannot keep up at all..... I have had the front discs smoking on several occasions and it was only RR and mapped last Tuesday. I need to upgrade the anchors. Now Im not clued up at all on brakes and have always found the std items more than good enough at 170BHP.

 

Im running 1600 front hubs and I want to keep them, what are my scrapyard options guys?? 307HDI brakes?? Brembo 4 pots??? Gti6 brakes?? I really dont have a clue and dont know what will fit my hubs?? Its not a problem to have components machined to fit.

 

Suggestions please!

 

Maxi

[Gtiracer 0]

Hi, theres lots of tuff about brakes on the search, but admittedly no one gives a definate decision over what is best. I have considered these:

 

 

It is a GMC 283mm Big Disc Conversion with Green Stuff pads (Cit Saxo/Peug 106) - £225

 

But i'm sure could be modified to fit, they also do a 4 pot option to with the same discs for £530

 

Try here: LINK and have a look under Suspension and Brakes - Discs and Callipers

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

Is the 1.6 hubs a must, or may you change them for 1.9 ones?

 

I found the 307SW / 206 RC brakes to be very very good in my mates 309.

We mounted them about a month ago and it was just insane how good them were compared to the standard ones.

 

Downside is they are a bit heavy, so maybe 266x20mm discs with some uprated friction material may do the trick too.

 

But I would've used 307 SW ones if it was my car.. they can stand a lot...

[Sam 4]

Adam, your choices are severely limited if you have to stick to 1.6 hubs. Theres not much out there for 1.6 but LOADS for 1.9. GTI6 or 307 2.0 brakes should do the job if you don't want to change wheels.

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

You may be able to get away with basemodel hubs which would give you the right offset for 283mm disks and along with some mintex pads this should improve things. But as above keeping the 1.6 setup does limit your choice. Ive just fitted the 206gti180 setup, disks, calipers and pads and find the stopping power awesome, something i'd deffinetly reccomend.

[TEKNOPUG 3]

Agreed - dump the 1.6 for 1.9 hubs and then use the bigger 307 (285mm) brake discs and calipers. Job done.

[Alastairh 47]

Value for money. Go scrappy, find a 307 1.6 above (hdi will do) pay the man £50 for the calipers and carriers and wack them on with decent pads and discs.

 

These need 1.9 hubs i believe, may need to swap master cylinder aswell.

 

Alastair

[Daz_C 8 1 Cars]

Mate welcome to the 'Club' firstly.

I'm running Gti6 brakes on mine and found these more than adequate for what used to be my what can only be described as 'eractic' driving style, and on many occassions had the car feel like the back end was lifting off the ground when the brakes were applied vigorously when coming into an island abit too fast and the front end was just digging into the ground trying to stop from stupid speeds to nothing in 10yrds But alas i'm older now and calmed down abit. have never had brake fade from them even on a good old blat down twisty B roads for a good 10 miles or so.

These only fit on 1.9 hubs though as Sam said. Compared to buying the likes of 4 pots to fit 1.6 hubs the cost would be cheaper to buy second hand 6 or 307 calipers, 1.9 shafts and hubs though in my opinion and they just fit under a set of 15's.

I have a set of Brembo 4 pots in the shed to stick on me Track car which is on 1.6 hubs but i'm not holding out much hope on them fitting though.

 

But whatever U decide........ Enjoy

[tom_m 0]

Value for money. Go scrappy, find a 307 1.6 above (hdi will do) pay the man £50 for the calipers and carriers and wack them on with decent pads and discs.

 

These need 1.9 hubs i believe, may need to swap master cylinder aswell.

 

Alastair

 

you do no need th swap the master cylinder for 307 brakes, you end up with no pedal travel and no modulation!!! plus the man said he didn't want to swap his hubs!

 

 

adam, the option open to you on 1.6 hubs is the 266mm brakes from err a 306 i think, bigger than standard (but not by much)

[Alastairh 47]

Out of intrest, why do you want to keep 1.6 hubs?

[smckeown 1]

because 1.6 hubs give wide track, i'm sure thats why maxi mentioned he used that setup before

 

I'm sure you're gonna need to move to 309 setup maxi to take advantage of all the cheap 180/gti6/307 brakes while retaining the wide track

[Edp 67 3 Cars]

Ive just fitted 307 HDi brakes this week and am trying to bed them in at the moment. There a good cheap upgrade but with 1.6 hubs the buggers wont fit.

 

I find the pedal travel fine and they havent even worn in yet so no M/C change for me. They look good too with 'F' all space between the wheel and caliper. I went for braided hoses also.

 

 

 

Ed

[TEKNOPUG 3]

Convert to 309 set up if you want a wider track. 266mm isn't much bigger than standard. The 285mm is the most cost effect method to really improve the braking, even with 309 hubs, shafts, wishbones etc.

[returnofjim 0]

I have a pair of brand new unused 306 GTi6 283mm Calipers with yokes, discs and pads for sale, I am after £150 for the lot, The calipers alone cost over £200 when i bought them new. PM if your interested

 

James

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

1600 front hubs give the car a lot wider front track and all my GTis drive better with this setup compared to a 1.9 setup. Hence why I want to stick with it. Also with the 309 rear beam I am running the widest all round track possible without spacers.

 

What exactly is it about the 1600 front hubs that mean the GTi6 calipers wont fit??? I am being dumb here but as I say, brakes arent my strong point as I feel there is no need for an upgrade until you get to this sort of power figure.

 

Please remember chaps that machining isnt a problem.

 

Maxi

[Sam 4]

Like you have said the 1.6 hubs have a wider track, this has the downside of the disc offset being different to the 1.9 hubs which means discs like the 306 GTI6 don't fit.

 

Whats wrong with getting the 309 setup?

[Alastairh 47]

Cheap enough to swap to 309 stuff these days. Just go looking in the scrappies for Turbo diesel 309s.

 

Alastair

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

Like you have said the 1.6 hubs have a wider track, this has the downside of the disc offset being different to the 1.9 hubs which means discs like the 306 GTI6 don't fit.

 

Whats wrong with getting the 309 setup?

 

In my opinion it drives like f***in g s*it on the road, tramlineing like buggary and wears the insides of the tyres out too quick. Alright for a track car but not for a road car. Cheers anyway Sam!

 

Looks like im knackered then.

 

Maxi

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

You can get caliper spacers for 1.6 hubs that allow the 1.9 caliper to be used and a GTI-6 disc I believe. I am sure Constella do them (think they are on eBay to). Not sure if it all still fits under 15" speedlines though, but it might be a good excuse for some nice proper compomotives!!

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

Thanks for the input Henry, Ill investigate further!

 

Whats the crack with these bloody 406 v6 brembos then?? I swear I read somewhere they fit a 1600 front hub and im sure one of the dutch guys got them behind a speedline???

 

Maxi

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

Thanks for the input Henry, Ill investigate further!

 

Whats the crack with these bloody 406 v6 brembos then?? I swear I read somewhere they fit a 1600 front hub and im sure one of the dutch guys got them behind a speedline???

 

Maxi

 

I'm pretty sure they use the 1.9 hubs and 10mm spacer to make them fit behind the SL434 speedlines.

At least I have that setup, and need 10mm spacer to make it work.

 

Anyway.. as long as the calipers will fit yiur hub, I guess it shouldn't be too hard to find some discs that will fit. Not necessary from a Peugeot. Audis and SAAB's for example have 4 x 108 hubs I think..

[maxi 36 1 Cars]

I'm pretty sure they use the 1.9 hubs and 10mm spacer to make them fit behind the SL434 speedlines.

At least I have that setup, and need 10mm spacer to make it work.

 

Anyway.. as long as the calipers will fit yiur hub, I guess it shouldn't be too hard to find some discs that will fit. Not necessary from a Peugeot. Audis and SAAB's for example have 4 x 108 hubs I think..

 

 

I specifically remember the 4 pots fitting the 1600 hubs because there was a big hoo haa about 1900 hubs being the best for upgrades then it was revealed the 4 pots fitted the 1600 hubs.

 

I wish the search feature wasnt so wanky on this forum..... I remember the pics of them behind speedlines. It was about a year ago though. Might have a chat with hilgie on MSN, he seems to know the crack with this sort of stuff.....

 

Maxi

Edited June 4, 2006 by maxi

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

Hm. Shame I just threw away two 1.6 hubs I had lying around as I could have tested my brembos on them

[Ahl 4]

In my opinion it drives like f***in g s*it on the road, tramlineing like buggary and wears the insides of the tyres out too quick. Alright for a track car but not for a road car. Cheers anyway Sam!

Thats funny because mine doesn't.

Maybe if you leave the massive toe-out that you get from fitting the bits and not adjusting the tracking back to normal.

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

You can get caliper spacers for 1.6 hubs that allow the 1.9 caliper to be used and a GTI-6 disc I believe. I am sure Constella do them (think they are on eBay to). Not sure if it all still fits under 15" speedlines though, but it might be a good excuse for some nice proper compomotives!!

The ebay auction of theirs I saw on Saturday said you have to use 16' wheels for them, don't forget that Constella offer a discount to forum menbers of 10% iirc & they are cheap for the brackets & bolts etc.

 

They have an ebay ad running currently & it does say to state if you want them for 1.6 or 1.9 hubs & can supply the discs if needed..

 

Autofive used to sell a big brake kit that fitted on the 1.6 GTi hubs but you could only get the discs etc from them iirc.

 

I think you can get a big brake kti from Hi-spec afaik that is 302mm with 4-pots for the 1.6 GTi hubs

 

Graham.