£600-700 To Spend On Brakes

[Mac210882 0]

Im throwing this question open, as Ive searched the many threads about big brake conversions, but theres so much conflicting evidence that its starting to frazzle my brain.

 

Heres my situation My 205 is a bit of a track car Im doing Cadwell on the 5th June, and I have two trips to the Nurburgring booked, and I need some new brakes in the next month or so. I have a budget of up to £600-700 to get a decent set of stoppers sorted. I originally planned to modify my 300mm wildwood 4 pot setup, but I want to keep the 15 speedlines, so that idea went out of the window.

 

I have a 1.9 engine, with a 1.6 gearbox, driveshaft and hubs, so I need a conversion that will fit the 1.6 hub, and clear the original 1.9 wheels. What do I have in terms of off the shelf conversions? Where do I look, and what are the best brands?

 

Ideally, I like to keep things simple, so a full conversion would be good that I can just buy online and fit myself one weekend. Its a daily driver too, so I cant afford to take it off the road to get everything measured up for a custom setup.

 

Help! Point me in the direction of an awesome idiot-proof brake setup! Thanks in advance guys!

[Batfink 201]

simple dont spend it on the brakes.

uprate the tyres and suspension and your brakes will be more effective

Get some decent pads though and decent brake fluid

[Mac210882 0]

Thanks

 

I already have AST coilovers, and Toyo T1-S tyres all round. I have set aside this budget for some decent brakes, as I'm aware what a difference a good set of brakes can make on a circuit.

 

The standard brakes feel ok, but I'd like a bit more. The budget I have set aside is for rotors, calipers, hoses and fluid anyway.

[Jonmurgie 2]

Christ, if you've already got a 4pot setp then you won't need to change/modify those to be honest... as Batfink says spend it on suspension...

 

However, if I'm reading it wrong and you need some kind of setup then Rally Design do an off the shelf Wilwood 4pot kit for well under the budget, or you coudl spend the full budget on a Hi-Spec kit...

[Mac210882 0]

Sorry - I didn't make myself clear - the old 4 pot setup was on my old car, I was going to transfer them over

 

I'm running standard brakes on the pug

[Rippthrough 98]

Spend a couple of quid on steel and brace the bulkhead where the servo is. That'll take a hell of a lot of flex out.

Wilwoods + braided lines + DS3000's (or 1144's/DS2500 if you want to keep your discs for longer than a few months). You could just use the Wilwood compounds but I haven't tried them and I don't know many that have in a road/track type situation.

 

Try that and see where you want to go from there?

Edited May 3, 2006 by Rippthrough

[smckeown 1]

i'd upgrade to 1.9 hubs and fit the gti180/gti-6/307 brakes. If your brake mad like me then 4 pots do give you lots of confidence that you will stop no matter what. I've never experienced fade in any way with my setup of hi-spec and mintex 1155s

 

Sean

[Mac210882 0]

i'd upgrade to 1.9 hubs and fit the gti180/gti-6/307 brakes. If your brake mad like me then 4 pots do give you lots of confidence that you will stop no matter what. I've never experienced fade in any way with my setup of hi-spec and mintex 1155s

 

Sean

 

I had considered that, but I've just replaced both driveshafts and ball joints - so i'd rather get the most out of the 1.6 hubs, which is frustrating

[Anthony 1,003]

I have a 1.9 engine, with a 1.6 gearbox, driveshaft and hubs, so I need a conversion that will fit the 1.6 hub, and clear the original 1.9 wheels.

Make life much easier for yourself and upgrade to 1.9 hubs (and driveshafts), or if you really want to keep the 1.6 'shafts then some base model hubs (same offset as 1.9 hubs, but without the beefier bearings). There is an infinately better selection of brakes available for 1.9 hubs, and all the upgrades from other models (GTi-6, S16, GTi-180 etc) will need these hubs.

 

285mm is generally the biggest brakes that will comfortably fit under the standard wheels, and you need to be careful with clearance on the inner wheel - the standard wheels aren't great for this, and things like the 406 Brembo's won't fit without spacers.

 

I honestly don't think you need to spend £700 on brakes though to stop a trackday 205 - if you've already got some Wilwoods, then some decent pads and 285mm disks should be plenty I'd have thought. Hell, I'm sure even GTi-6/GTi-180 brakes with some decent pads (Pagid's or similar) will handle everything you can throw at them, and leaves you the rest to spend on tyres and suspension as said above

[Batfink 201]

if you really have to upgrade then you definetly need 1.9 hubs as the options are seriously limited for the 1.6.

 

I mentioned the rest of the car should be looked at first because me and my brothers run a 205 rallye on standard brakes, but the rest of the car has race parts - suspension,tyres and lightweight panels. some yoko road legal slicks will be far superior to your current tyres and will improve your stopping distance and cornering speeds

[johnrobertgordon 0]

best buy i ever made for my 205 has to be the braided brake hoses. Combined with good fluid and EBC greenstuff pads they made a whole lot of difference. Then as someone else said spend the rest of the money on better tyres and/or suspension.

[Guest Aggs]

Agree with above.

Car is light and big brakes unnecessary expense.

[28CRAIG 2]

I have a willwood set up with 285mm discs but have had to changed wheels to compomotive to clear.

 

But what i am going to try is 206 180 discs 280mm and skim 2.5mm of the bracket to bring the caliper

in.

 

Not sure if it will work but this could solve you prob and still use 4pots

[smckeown 1]

I had to use 5mm spacer with my hi-spec 4 post using Speedlines. I don't have the same problem with my Rota's

[Anthony 1,003]

I have a willwood set up with 285mm discs but have had to changed wheels to compomotive to clear.

They fit, but you need to shave a smidgen off the edge of the caliper otherwise it fouls the inside of the wheel. I've done it to a couple of sets now and it's quick and easy enough to do

[SPGTi 2]

This brake setup looks pretty good. I think it is £550 (not sure whether that is with or without VAT) and I presume it should fit under std 15" wheels.

BIG Brakes

 

Steve

[huckleberry 0]

I've seen Brembo GT brake stups for the 307 that would be great also I think. I don't know the price though. They do the 285mm as well as the 305 or 310 mm setup. But the last on will surely not fit in your 15".