Ren 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Can anyone help me? I'm after a TDC sensor for a phase 1 mi16, been to Peugeot, Eurocarparts, Gsf and a few other carplaces and no one supplies them anymore. Does anyone know where I can get hold of one as I need it to finish my conversion off. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Ren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 8, 2006 Does anyone know where I can get 1 from, it is the same part that is in mad proffesors post about cas sensors. Tried numerous other parts shops and have spent ages trawling the web and still had no joy. Beginning to stress me out as the conversion is nearly complete but the car won't run without this. Cheers, Ren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SeanT Posted May 8, 2006 Ren, For parts I have trouble sourcing I use these guys, usally able to help.... www.peugeotparts.co.uk Sean Does anyone know where I can get 1 from, it is the same part that is in mad proffesors post about cas sensors. Tried numerous other parts shops and have spent ages trawling the web and still had no joy. Beginning to stress me out as the conversion is nearly complete but the car won't run without this. Cheers, Ren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonofsam 5 Posted May 8, 2006 or www.partsgateway.co.uk also very helpfull Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 8, 2006 I went to a scrappy and found a rear ended 52 plate 307 with the BE3 box on. Took about 10 minutes to get a pipe out the way and then a 10mm socket later and it came out. Identical to the crushed one I had for my Mi and it seems to work fine. Was £4. I assume most Pugs with BE3 boxes use an identical CPS. Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 8, 2006 Excellent, cheers for the replies, I'll try the 2 companies listed and see if they can help, if not i'll have to trawl the scrappies. Cheers, Ren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inferno 1 Posted May 8, 2006 the one mad proffessor needed was a longer auto box type one. these can be found on bx gti autos. most other pug/citroen use the same senser, have a look in the local scrappy, would probly be cheeper than me posting you one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 8, 2006 The on I got from the scrappy gives totally the wrong resistance across the ECU pins which I guess is perfectly feasible given its from a much different car. The original one I had gives the correct resistance as per Haynes manual but alas gives only little voltage when it's cranked on the starter when it should prodcue around 2.5V on cranking. It has a big crunch mark in it tho so Im guessing it's been fitted to the box while it was fitted/removed in the past (not by me) and is thus shafted. Im hoping this may be the root cause of my problems... Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 8, 2006 I'm hoping a new one will cure all my probems as well, all my fuelling components go haywire as soon as I turn my ignition on causing a lot of head scratching and cursing. Eventually I got Mike from 205 parts to come and have a look and after a good hour or so of going through my wiring he noticed the sensor i have in (plastic canister with a small metal pin in the middle) is the wrong one even though I was told it was definitely correct when I bought it. Hopefully a new one will solve this and allow me to finally take it for it's mot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 8, 2006 Sounds strangely familiar.... Im hopefully getting the correct one soon as. Should sort it all out. Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) Right Yeomans Citroen in Exeter can get the part in next day apparently. OE P/N is 591875 and costs £13.89 + the dreaded. Phoning round the other usual suspects (Euro and GSF) was met with "sorry can't help you." Hopefully getting mine first thing. Veero Edited May 9, 2006 by Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich_w 0 Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) Just done a little searching on the pug parts cd: http://www.stuartmcguire.co.uk/pug/GB/405F/5/59M01A.HTM Which suggests the sensor you ordered is for 8v or derv's (Obviously I could be wrong!) Edited May 9, 2006 by rich_w Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) Yes helpfully I phoned again to check and alas the TDC sensor is as above, The speed sensor is P/N 591880 which is £55.26 + VAT Bah. So do I need a TDC sensor or a speed sensor? I thought the 2 were the same thing ?? Veero Edit: Balls, just looked at the pic and 51875 is completely the wrong bit. That is indeed the sensor that came off the 8v. Shame they don't have a pic of 591880 there. (Not meant to be looking anyway as Im at work...) Edited May 9, 2006 by Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 9, 2006 The second part you mentioned sounds more like it, the guy I spoke to at Peugeot told me they would have cost about £70. Let me know how you get on if possible as I have mailed the companies mentioned and had no reply yet. I'll give them a ring in a bit to see if they've had any joy. Everywhere I've been has either said they don't do them or bought the plastic one out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich_w 0 Posted May 9, 2006 591880 looks like the first pic from this thread: http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=58583 The bit sticking down has a bolt hole. I did a scrappy run the other day and picked up a pair of plastic body CAS's one from a 405 with a XU10 lump and a xantia with a XU10 lump. I should be able to test these (depends how easy it is with PAS pipes in the way ) if it would help anyone. I paid £1 each so i'm not bothered if there not right. I had a look around to see if anyone was doing them new, but had no luck. I nearly got one for my old motronic 1.9 but didn't after I got told the price (I was unsure if it was causing problems or not..). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 9, 2006 Ah crap thats the puppy. I got plastic sheathed one from a scrappy too and it is completely wrong, was form a 206 tho. An XU 10/Xantia lump sounds more promising though. Still Im beyond caring about cost now I just want it running. Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 9, 2006 So is that definitely 591880 then? cos the plastic ones don't work and they're the only ones i can find. Veero - know what you mean about beyond caring, doesn't matter how much it costs as long as it runs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich_w 0 Posted May 9, 2006 So long as its the same part no. it should be fine. How many plastic ones have you tired? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Only tried the one plastic cased one but it was brand new. Also Mike from 205 parts has confirmed that it is the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) Right I have got hold of another one tonight, but lo and behold it's the plastic one. I stumbled across something in the 405 Haynes manual. It says the resistance across 2 of the ECU pins needs to be between 490 and 660 ohms. Also the test to see if it's ok is to remove the ECU and crank the starter measuring the voltage across those 2 pins. A good sensor should produce above 2.5V. The metal one I have the resistance across the ECU pins (easier if you just remove the sensor and measure it directly acorss the plug pins 1 and 2) reads 550 ohms, slap bang in the zone above. However the voltage it drops is only 0.2V so its trying but just isnt quite getting there, enough Im supposing to bugger up the signal. The plastic one I got from a 307 (or a 206 I forget) only reads 350 ohms so Im guessing is completely the wrong type. I tried another plastic one tonight and it's exactly the same. Dammit where can you get the metal ones?? I hope Citroen have the metal one in. Im tempted to say fck it and just spend the £70 if it is metal Also Pug list the 519880 one as fitting the XU9JAZ engine which runs Jetronic and a cat I believe. So potentially it could be completely wrong. They list a different part number for the Mi16. I dunno. So near yet soo far it seems Veero Edited May 9, 2006 by Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Going on form our conversation earlier, the one for the JAZ must be running Motronic, as my Jetronic/cat engine didnt have a crank sensor. Wether that one works with the MI or not, ionno Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 10, 2006 Well whatever. Got 519880 from the CItroen dealer just now, plug it in and it's almost perfect!! It revs freely, still has the odd missfire but nowhere near as bad as it was. Im about to go for a little drive to see what it's like. Let you know Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Sounds promising. I'm gonna pop down my local citroen in a bit then and see if they can get hold of one for me. Strange that Peugeot say that can't yet Citroen can, surely the parts come from the same place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veero 1 Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Yeah the box had "Peugeot Genuine Parts" and "Citroen Genuine Parts" on but if you ask pug the 519880 is from the XU9JAZ not the 9J4. Citroen only list that one for the Mi. Perhaps the plastic one is for the 2 litre? Anyhoo it's only partially fixed my problem so im wondering what else is on the blink. Veero Edit: Oh and they had it on the shelf so you might be lucky too. £65 inc Vat tho. Edited May 10, 2006 by Veero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ren 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Been and ordered it today, should be in tomorrow. Fingers crossed it sorts the problem out, not that there is any rush now cos I took the rear beam off today and I'm not getting the new 1 til the end of the month. Hopefully MOT time is getting nearer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
