sekim 0 Posted March 24, 2006 Was on my way to do a 12 car tonight when my nav noticed I was leaving a trail of oil behind A closer inspection reveals that the sump has taken a bit of a beating (despite having a sump guard) and is leaking around the drain plug. The main problem is that clearance between the sump and the guard is quite tight and so any small stones that find their way in get trapped. The 1.6 engine doesn't have that spacer, and I've read a couple of posts saying that a 1.9 from a 405 sri or BX also didn't have the spacer. So I'm wondering can I just remove the spacer to give myself a bit more clearance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dream Weaver 2 Posted March 24, 2006 I doubt it if its a std 1.9 engine, its there to give the bottom of the rods extra clearance from what I remember due to the longer stroke. I may be wrong though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekim 0 Posted March 24, 2006 Hmm, that's what I assumed too, Peugeot didn't do anything without good reason! Perhaps it's time for some mudflap material down the sides to stop the stones from getting in. Or maybe wedge a bit of foam between sump and guard to stop the stones from getting trapped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest andy309goodwood Posted March 24, 2006 iirc is because the 1.9 crank has a larger swing on the counter weights the spacer was added to prevent the counters smaking the sump oil i think andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miles 331 1 Cars Posted March 24, 2006 The 1.6 and most base XU engines run a deep sump so no need for the skirt stiffener plate (Spacer as everyone calls it) The 1.9 GTi and 1.9 MI16's run a shallower sump. It has nothing to do with the extra stoke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars Posted March 25, 2006 I concur with Miles. from what I have heard from a Peugeot Master Technician (and the first guy to put an Mi in a 205 and a 309) this is actually a block stiffening plate that was introduced when Peugeot decided to put the XU engine up to 1.9 litres and 130 bhp. Interestingly enough, the 1.9 CTI engine I have does not use this "spacer", nor does the 405 SRI IIRC. Your 1.9 sump will not fit without the spacer on a 1.6 or a 1.9 as it will hit the oil pickup before it hits the bottom of the block. A tin sump can take some beating. Ally (Mi / aircon 205's) sumps do not fair so well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bonzai 2 Posted March 25, 2006 you could fit an xu10 sump as i will hopefully be doing. i havent had any search results back wether it will be catastrophic running without the stiffener yet. i may just go for it anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petert 587 Posted March 25, 2006 Believe it or not, I've never seen a steel sump on an XU engine. All the cars sold in Australia had alloy sumps, probably because A/C was standard. Our early 1.9L 205 GTi's did not have a stiffening plate, later ones did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekim 0 Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the info guys I'll probably try and fix the old sump to stop it leaking, I think it just needs flatening around the drain plug. I don't want an ally sump cos as henry says they don't take too fondly to rough handling. Here's a pic of the guard - you can see where it's been rubbing around the sump and the gearbox drain plug. Hopefully some blocks of foam in these areas will prevent it from happening any more. Edited March 25, 2006 by sekim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pug_ham 244 3 Cars Posted March 25, 2006 I sucessfully ran my car on a steel sump without the spacer plate for a while last year but that sump was from a BX TRi which was the basic donor for my internals. Even with a 7k rev limit I had no trouble. I've since fitted the spacer & proper 1.9 GTi sump though so the engien should be slight stiffer & not suffer from fatal block flex when at high rpm / oil temps on track days. Wouldn't your current sump be safer without the vertical alloy strip on your sump guard (cause of the damage around drain plug? ) or does that not sit over the sump? Graham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekim 0 Posted March 25, 2006 Wouldn't your current sump be safer without the vertical alloy strip on your sump guard (cause of the damage around drain plug? ) or does that not sit over the sump? The vertical strip runs between the sump and the gearbox. These are the marks made by the stones trapped under the sump: The other marks you can can see in the previous picture are also due to stones getting caught but this time under the gearbox drain plug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
