DaveK 0 Posted March 15, 2006 i need to check out the ball joint on the pug to see if its the cause of the steering violently pulling to the left on both tapping accelerator and immediately taking it off. once ive got it off do i need to get the tracking redone once i replace or put another one back in?? cheers dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonmurgie 2 Posted March 15, 2006 It's usually good practice to have the alignment checked whenever doing any suspension work. Although in theory there is nothing that's adjustable on the 205 wishbone things happen and for the sake of a few quid to have it checked out I'd defo do it afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base-1 17 Posted March 15, 2006 If it was set right before then it should be fine, as Jon said nothing is adjustable so not much to worry about unless the tracking was set when something was knackered to start with We don't need to re-check Jap stuff with 500 adjustable arms and whatnot each corner, long as you take readings and mark up before you pull things apart you can just put it back where it all was Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonah 1 Posted March 16, 2006 If you're just refitting the same wishbone - then no. If you're fitting a new one, then definitely YES!! They can vary in length slightly - as I found out the other day, changed both wishbones which resulted in about half an inch of toe-in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLPoomobile 958 Posted March 16, 2006 On this subject, I know you should only tighten the wishbone bolts with the car on the ground so not to stress the bushes, but without having ramps, or a lift, this is impossible. I would presume that you can just raise the car on stands and then lift the arm with a jack until it is at the same angle as when the car is on it's wheels, before tightening the bolts. Is this correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonah 1 Posted March 16, 2006 On this subject, I know you should only tighten the wishbone bolts with the car on the ground so not to stress the bushes, but without having ramps, or a lift, this is impossible. No it isn't! (at least with standard height suspension - may be tricky if lowered) I would presume that you can just raise the car on stands and then lift the arm with a jack until it is at the same angle as when the car is on it's wheels, before tightening the bolts. Is this correct? Yes, but, at that point the spring will be taking exactly the same weight as it would be with the wheel on the ground, i.e. the same as the corner weight of the car, which means it'll be just starting to lift off the stand. Having the car supported by a jack on a sloping wishbone, and then getting underneath it to tighten the bolts, sounds pretty dangerous to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveK 0 Posted March 16, 2006 i think im gettin myself confused here, are the ball joint and cv joint the same thing? been looking bout on searches and a common fault seems to be the wishbone bushes or ball joint..... what am i looking at if im inspecting the ball joint?? anyone got any pics please? thanks dave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butler 0 Posted March 16, 2006 CV Joint is driveshaft. Your issue sounds like a wishbone bush to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveK 0 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) is that thing the ball joint? ps pinched your pic markrnorton CV Joint is driveshaft. Your issue sounds like a wishbone bush to me. Edited March 16, 2006 by davek671 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLPoomobile 958 Posted March 16, 2006 No it isn't! (at least with standard height suspension - may be tricky if lowered)Yes, but, at that point the spring will be taking exactly the same weight as it would be with the wheel on the ground, i.e. the same as the corner weight of the car, which means it'll be just starting to lift off the stand. Having the car supported by a jack on a sloping wishbone, and then getting underneath it to tighten the bolts, sounds pretty dangerous to me... Well I haven't tried it yet, but having removed the wishbones from the 1.9 I just scrapped, I really don't fancy my chances of getting under a 40mm lowered 205 on the ground and being able to get to the bolts properly, let alone apply enough force to tighten them to the required torque. With regards to safety, I could jack the up the hub which would be pretty securely seated within the cradle on the jack, so putting that to one side I just need to know if this is OK as a method. Basically what does everyone else do to tighten up the bolts when they have fitted new 'bones/bushes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANDYGON 6 Posted March 16, 2006 Dave- yes that the ball joint. it should be stiff to move if moveable at all. with regards to tighten the bush bolts, i'd use another jack to bring the wish bone up as you've said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markrnorton 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Davek671 No probs with the picture, that is a balljoint on most pugs. Mine, as in the picture, is a rose joint Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveK 0 Posted March 16, 2006 ok thanks thats cleared up alot! cheers chaps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
