jshep205gti 3 Posted January 9, 2006 Hey all, started gettin my old engine out yesterday and it's basically done, just engine mounts holding it in. Me and my mate have NO engine hoist.... what is the best option for removal (inc gbox)? Thanks to all people that have helped me without knowing it yesterday as I was using the search facility to get my answers - I didnt realise how useless the Haynes manual is: "first, remove both driveshafts from the gearbox" - what a hassle they are! I'm going to be transfering the bits onto my new engine (another 1.6) such as starter, alternator etc... I have a new LUK clutch... now I asked for a clutch KIT, but I have no centralising tool?!?!? I've heard you can do it by eye anyway? Where should I borrow one from?? (Or buy if it's a small tool?) My mate says if it was his engine he would do it by eye, but he doesn't want to 'help' me with mine and not do it properly. This is my first engine change and I would recommend it to everyone... it's quality learning about your car. cheers puggers shep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joelpsmith 1 Posted January 9, 2006 anything long that will fit snugly into the friction plate of the clutch will do. Try a socket extension bar with tape wraped round to the correct fit. You can't get it wrong really, as the gearbox won't go on if its no aligned. As for getting the engine out, i would definetly get a engine hoist, hire one for the day shouldn;t cost you too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashlee205gti 1 Posted January 9, 2006 If you can jack the car up high enough lower the engine out onto a wooden pallet and drag it out, have you not thought about hiring a hoist for a day or two just to make life easier? I was speaking to a lad on a Renault 5 forum, apparently he take his engine and g/box out with a large wheelbarrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
easypug 0 Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) You wouldn't get the alignment tool with the kit so not to worry there. Its possible to line it up with your finger or you can use an extension from your tool kit 6" for example. With the larger end wrap some electrical tape or similar around till it will just slide in through the clutch and flywheel holes. Start tightening up the bolts that hold the clutch on making sure your clamping the clutch down evenly. Give the extension a wiggle to make sure the clutch is in the centre. Take a look just to make sure before you continue to torque the bolts down to the correct measurement. If your planning on doing this often then its probably worth getting the tool for the job instead of using all that tape. Click here for tool edit: dam to slow... On the getting the engine out side of things, i hired a hoist for £35 for a week. Surcharge was £80 or some thing but you get it back when hoist is returned Edited January 9, 2006 by easypug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alastairh 47 Posted January 9, 2006 Well for my College project im currently "designing" a clutch alighnment tool to help things. Whilst down 205parts Mike Parker (Head mechanic man) Gave me this idea and knocked together a tool using the old shaft of a box. He simply cut of the end of an old shaft and welded a little handle for good measure. Original crap design: It works really well though. Makes Gear box/clutch changes ALOT less stress full and don't run the risk of damaging the teeth of a new clutch. When i have some spare time, i will knock together a quick cad program for my project Alastair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ablister 31 Posted January 9, 2006 You wouldn't get the alignment tool with the kit so not to worry there. you usually get them with the clutch kits so he's not wrong for being surprised when he never got one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d-9 0 Posted January 9, 2006 Do you have a garage with a beam you can sling a hoist over? Failing that a tree you can sling a rope over hooked to the towing eye of another car? Or just ask around, sure someone round here has one u can borrow for a few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pug_ham 245 3 Cars Posted January 10, 2006 you usually get them with the clutch kits so he's not wrong for being surprised when he never got oneNot in every make of kit imo. Only ever got one with a Valeo clutch kit, none with any of the other two kits I've bought, same as below. Graham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dream Weaver 2 Posted January 10, 2006 Jack the car up high at the front, and drop the engine onto some pallets as mentioned - its a ballache, but can be done (check my project thread for pics). I used a socket extension and one of those long 10mm sockets to centralise my clutch - worked a treat, and the gearbox went on with no effort. And you're right, it is great fun doing an engine swap, most of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alastairh 47 Posted January 10, 2006 Just rent a hoist, it saves a hell of alot of ball ache. - Sounds of experience Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashley peddle 3 Posted January 10, 2006 buy lots of plasters / bandages... trust me you will need them also get a swear box... youll earn enough to pay for a couple of nights out drinking (youll need that to recover ) a couple of light bulbs on wires are always handy - esp. as its getting dark now... also disposable rubber gloves are always handy... and TRY and get a crane... will save you hours of balling about and a lot less stressful!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ablister 31 Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) Not in every make of kit imo. hence why i said 'usually' easypug said that you would never get one with a kit but 'sometimes' you will get a plastic or wooden one valeo, luk etc Edited January 10, 2006 by ablister Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
easypug 0 Posted January 10, 2006 hence why i said 'usually' easypug said that you would never get one with a kit but 'sometimes' you will get a plastic or wooden one valeo, luk etc OK i'll take that back, however i've brought 4 kits and not one has ever had an alignment tool with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alastairh 47 Posted January 10, 2006 I'm lucky, i've bought/fitted 4, and 3 of them have had the plastic crap tools. There like stirring orange juice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshep205gti 3 Posted January 11, 2006 By far the best piece of advice I've ever got on this forum is rent a hoist!!!! It was £20 plus VAT which is an absolute bargain at twice the price for how much it helps. And we used a homemade clutch centralising tool which was fine! The new engine is just being finished before be pop her in. It's a red block and head and black rocker cover! Also giving the engine bay a nice clean up.... I cant wait til its all done!!! I'm borrowing my mates 1.0litre 106 this week... i actually thought there was something wrong with it, but its THAT slow. Engine swaps RULE. Thanks for all advice. Shep Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashley peddle 3 Posted January 11, 2006 there better if you do them in the summer with a bunch of mates and have a bbq / piss up afterwards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
