Trailing arm knock

[welshpug 1,658]

13 minutes ago, DamirGTI said:

Order Sasic bearings , in single package per piece ie. 1 bearing .

 

You'll get inside the package either SKF or Timken bearing (same as Nadella) :

 

Inner bearing sample pic :

https://www.cardon.com.ua/autopart/sasic/1315455

 

I've some extra spare packs of Sasic bearings , some are Timken , and some are SKF - all the same as Nadella , ie. proper count of needles , robust cage and shell - quality bearing as OE item .

 

Price wise :

 

inner 1315455 - 6 EU per piece

outer 1325495 - 8 EU per piece

 

D

 

 

I would not trust the image 100%, autodoc list them also but with the other type of bearing pictured, £4.96 each

[DamirGTI 342]

From my personal part stash (Timken variant) :

[Gavin Waddell 18]

Tha ks i just went onto the nadella site and looked at there catalogue and couldnt seem to find them are they no longer available.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

 

I have orders this kit will see what it brings.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

Little update.

 

I knocked out the old bearings the outer was an Koyo and the inner was a INA with the lower count and narrow needles. Another thing i saw as well was that the bearing race of the inner bearing could be moved 2mm from side to side ?

I also found a nadella bearing in my stock and like Damir showed in his pic there is a clear differnec in quality.

1= nadella bearing.

2= old INA bearing with play?

3= outer koyo bearing.

[PhilNW 44]

How easy were they to extract? Were they snug in the tube?

 

What sort of fit are they on the trailing arm, any play radially?

[Gavin Waddell 18]

 They were a tight fit i used the tool pictured below to extract them and took a few good hits with the lump.hammer to get them out  oth inner and outer. 

I just put them the old TA shaft i pressed out, whilst holding it in the vice and if i pushed on the outer bearing at the 3 and 9 o'clock position it had play back and forth. 

I did the same with the inner bearing and it also had a bit of play.

Where as when i put the nadella bearing on the shaft it had no play

[SRDT 180]

The early 205 had plain bearings, I can't see how needle bearings are a better option here but it was probably cheaper for Peugeot.

Now if you want to rebuild a rear beam plain bearings can still work fine even if there is some damage on the beam or shafts, needle bearings on the other hand won't tolerate that for long.

[PhilNW 44]

By back and forth you mean along the shaft?

 

Original question was  - What sort of fit are they on the trailing arm, any play radially at right angles to shaft?

 

These bearings, as far I understand it, only support the training arm shafts in the tube (so a bit of play back and forth should not matter much), the trailing arms are restrained side to side by the torsion bars.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

They are a tight snug fit on the trailing arm.  If i apply force at the 9 and 3 or 12 and 6 position i can move the bearing buy abour 0.5-1mm side to side or up and down, as shown by the arrows.

[DamirGTI 342]

4 hours ago, SRDT said:

The early 205 had plain bearings, I can't see how needle bearings are a better option here but it was probably cheaper for Peugeot.

 

Really ? any documentations available about that or which bearings and shaft combination they used prior to switching to the needle bearing version ?

 

Indeed , was thinking about this a fair few times , plain bearing would've been so much better and longer lasting than needle bearings .

 

D

Edited November 12, 2023 by DamirGTI

[jord294 92]

Now I've stripped a lot of axles and never come across plain bearings.

[PhilNW 44]

13 hours ago, Gavin Waddell said:

They are a tight snug fit on the trailing arm.  If i apply force at the 9 and 3 or 12 and 6 position i can move the bearing buy abour 0.5-1mm side to side or up and down, as shown by the arrows.

If that is the old bearing, I think that amount of slack indicates where the problem is. There should be no slack for new bearings assuming there are no issues with the axle tube or shaft.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

When i rebuilt the beam about 10-12 years ago there where no play in the beam and the car has done about 8000 miles since then and only summer driving so i reckon the beam tube is good. Also the other side has the same bearings and has no play so maybe got a dodgy one. I will install the new bearings and see if there is still play.

[SRDT 180]

On 11/12/2023 at 9:29 PM, DamirGTI said:

 

Really ? any documentations available about that or which bearings and shaft combination they used prior to switching to the needle bearing version ?

 

Indeed , was thinking about this a fair few times , plain bearing would've been so much better and longer lasting than needle bearings .

 

D

http://prepparts.free.fr/docs/catalogue/cataloguepeugeot/GB/205F/5/51G01A.HTM

" MOUTING CROSSMEMBER WITH PLAIN BEARING "

[Gavin Waddell 18]

 I was just looking through the article on the website for beam refurbishment, and it says the bearings must be installed with the stamping facing outwards. I think i might have installed mine them wrong  way around. So, won't make that mistake again.

But whats the reason for installing them that way round?

[PhilNW 44]

 I would be interested to, I thought they were a plain needle roller bearing without any taper.

 

Are there any subtle difference between the faces?

[Gavin Waddell 18]

Maybe Jord924 can enlighten us?

[welshpug 1,658]

the face with the writing is flat, for pressing against, the back side is not flat.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

Thanks for the answer, we learn something new everyday.

[jord294 92]

Common practice for me to always fit bearings with writing so I can read. But as said, the flatter more built up edge should be facing you as it is fitted into tube.

 

Only recently I've had more axles in with outer bearings fitted incorrectly 

[pug_ham 244 3 Cars]

On 11/13/2023 at 8:45 PM, SRDT said:

http://prepparts.free.fr/docs/catalogue/cataloguepeugeot/GB/205F/5/51G01A.HTM

" MOUTING CROSSMEMBER WITH PLAIN BEARING "

 That part number mentioned (5176.17) still brings up the usual bearings in any kit I've found so far, see the meyle kit pictured below.

 

 

Although the outer bearings look good in that kit, not so sure about the inners though.

 

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[SRDT 180]

For Peugeot 5176.17 is just the shaft and not a complete kit, also it's probably a newer part number and not the original. At least it's not for the "needle bearing" arms.

 

It seems that Peugeot really wanted you to switch to needle bearings, not sure if there is a good reason behind it or if they just didn't want to bother keeping old parts in inventory when they could just force you to buy new shafts on top of bearings.

 

http://prepparts.free.fr/docs/catalogue/cataloguepeugeot/GB/205F/5/51C01A.HTM

" A) + 5176 02 (2) "

5176.02 is found here:

http://prepparts.free.fr/docs/catalogue/cataloguepeugeot/GB/205F/5/51G02A.HTM

[Gavin Waddell 18]

So my new Sasic bearings turned up and they they are the better ones with more needles and also longer, will see if this gets rid of the knock. Funny thing is that they are stamped koyo.

[Gavin Waddell 18]

So i installed my new bearings, put the cup and the seal slide the the trailing arm in (with new shaft ),.so now everything is new and i still knocks, arrrrgggggghhhhh now im completely lost as to what it could be. Is it beacause i have seated the bearings to dar in the tube the outer is 5 mm from the.end of thebtube and the inners outer edge is 200 from the end of the tube ? I used a tool like this to install them .