Power Steering HP Pipe Route

[drj545 4]

I’m trying to piece together my GTI that someone else took apart, and my latest hurdle concerns the high pressure PAS pipe, from the pump to the rack. 

Although original, it seems just too long to fit neatly across the front of the engine and over the gearbox. There’s a bracket on the starter that has a clip for the pipe, but it clashes with the starter if pushed near the clip. 

 

There’s also a clip already on the pipe with a L shaped bracket, but I don’t know where this mounts. 
 

Can anyone shed any light?
 

 

[drj545 4]

Turns out I had to be a bit braver and “persuade” the pipe to go into the clip above the starter, but I’m still at a loss as to where the below L shape bracket bolts onto - perhaps it will become clearer when I bolt more stuff onto the engine, but a picture from someone of this area would help!

 

 

[welshpug 1,655]

Your bracket on the starter looks too far forward, its been a while since working on a pas car in depth but I'm  sure the bracket should  be further back on the engine  to transmission bolt not the starter.

[Gohn 68]

I'd send a pic but converted from petrol to diesel a while back and the pipe route on a diesel is different (easier)

it'll all fit in as you put the bits in place, from memory the PAS pump end under the alternator is a bit tight/fiddly too

doesn't the L bracket slot under one of the starter bolts ?

 

[Leslie green 108]

I think it goes on this nut on  top of a web on the gearbox , my car has pas which I think is a rare option which is why nobody knows . My car has been apart for years and this isthe only pic I can find of that area. I notice in your first pic the bracket behind the starter with the 3 holes in it  , I never could find out where that went till now do you know what mounts on it ?

 

20170628_125644 by Leslie, on Flickr

Edited October 11, 2022 by Leslie green

[drj545 4]

Thanks for everyone’s responses.

 

On 10/10/2022 at 9:57 PM, welshpug said:

Your bracket on the starter looks too far forward, its been a while since working on a pas car in depth but I'm  sure the bracket should  be further back on the engine  to transmission bolt not the starter.

I think it’s in the right place. It was labelled “starter motor bracket” and due to its shape and bolt holes can only go that way. I tried moving it last night, but no joy. I thought it might cover up the big hole in the gearbox casing in this area. 
 

On 10/11/2022 at 8:16 AM, Gohn said:

doesn't the L bracket slot under one of the starter bolts ?

 

There is a L bracket in the manual that is for “high pressure hose on rear of starter” but I don’t think it’s this one, as the mounting hole is too small for a starter bolt. I think the bracket I have in the starter is installed in place of the one in the manual. 
 

14 hours ago, Leslie green said:

I think it goes on this nut on  top of a web on the gearbox , my car has pas which I think is a rare option which is why nobody knows . My car has been apart for years and this isthe only pic I can find of that area. I notice in your first pic the bracket behind the starter with the 3 holes in it  , I never could find out where that went till now do you know what mounts on it ?

Thanks for the photo - I think you’re right it does go on the web on the gearbox. The only reason I never tried it was that there was a stud with a nut on it that looked like it’s been there for years, and not taken off in the last year. I’ve tried the pipe on with both clips - it fits but it looks like the clips are working overtime to keep it in place. I’m probably still missing something…

 

As for the bracket on the starter, other than the clip for the pipe, I’ve no idea what it’s for. There is a cable tie on it too for what I can only assume is for engine loom, or a water hose. As for the other holes on it, not a clue!

[Leslie green 108]

I had a look today to see if  I still had the clip on my pas pipe but it is lost or in a box somewhere along with several other parts I just can't find lol I do think that's the right place though it looks like a a mark on the pipe where the clip was and that pic is before I took the car apart and pipe is right beside it as I probably put that nut back so it wasn't lost  shame I didn't put the clip on it  , the pipe tucks more down behind the starter motor I think than your pic.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Leslie green

[Leslie green 108]

DJR545 is the little pipe bracket L shaped it hard to tell from the pic still can't find mine but can't be sure if it even had one when I got it. 

[Leslie green 108]

Donald did you get any further with this ? , I know that the pipe was attached to the block on the front to the right of the oil pressure gauge where there is a threaded hole on some cars certainly 1989 model year . 

[drj545 4]

I managed to find a place on the gearbox where the L shaped bracket could bolt on and hold the pipe, but it still didn’t seem like a natural fit if that makes sense. It’s all buried under SAD/AFM/pipes now so I can’t take a photo of it. 
 

I did see that some engines clipped the pipe at the front of the block, but looking at mine I couldn’t see how - mine is a 1992 model. 
 

 

[Leslie green 108]

If you look on page 8 there is a pic of the pipe clipped to the front of the block on this thread, I was looking on miamistu parts website and that clip you have is only shown under 309s not the 205.Im looking for the block clip too as I don't have any mounts at all. 

[Leslie green 108]

Saw this gearbox on ebay with what looks like your clip on it :where I originally thought it went :

 

 

Edited April 14 by Leslie green

[PhilNW 43]

Depends how original you want to go. I retro fitted OEM PS so no brackets or clips so used rubber faced P clip (s) mounted to earthing bolt on gearbox.

[PhilNW 43]

On 8/8/2023 at 12:09 AM, drj545 said:

I managed to find a place on the gearbox where the L shaped bracket could bolt on and hold the pipe, but it still didn’t seem like a natural fit if that makes sense. It’s all buried under SAD/AFM/pipes now so I can’t take a photo of it. 
 

I did see that some engines clipped the pipe at the front of the block, but looking at mine I couldn’t see how - mine is a 1992 model. 
 

 

SSIA website states the bracket is for the rear of the starter.

[Leslie green 108]

Hi Phil there is another bigger bracket fits on the starter / gearbox and earlier cars up to 89 I think had a little right angle bracket on the block left of the starter .This is the bigger bracket (lower one). Few gti's had power steering which is why nobody seems to know plus its buried under a lot of stuff so hard to see. Mine isn't refitted yet  and the brackets were off and the parts diagram isn't clear. I'd definitely want it fitted if I didn't have it .

 

[PhilNW 43]

1 hour ago, Leslie green said:

Hi Phil there is another bigger bracket fits on the starter / gearbox and earlier cars up to 89 I think had a little right angle bracket on the block left of the starter .This is the bigger bracket (lower one). Few gti's had power steering which is why nobody seems to know plus its buried under a lot of stuff so hard to see. Mine isn't refitted yet  and the brackets were off and the parts diagram isn't clear. I'd definitely want it fitted if I didn't have it .

 

Neither of those looks like the rear starter support bracket (item 2 on https://www.miamistu.co.uk/pug/GB/205N/5/58A30A.HTM)

 

Have you got item 12 on https://www.miamistu.co.uk/pug/GB/205N/4/40H10A.HTM ?

[Leslie green 108]

That bracket I showed goes on the gearbox to engine mounting bolts from what I can tell,  I haven't got item 12 and I don't think it was used on phase 2 cars but keeping a look out for one or could make one not much to it when time comes Phil.I think the descriptions on those diagrams are a bit misleading at times the starter mounting bracket has nothing to do with the pas setup.

Edited April 16 by Leslie green

[PhilNW 43]

I wondered in item 12 (which looks like a simple L) was supposed to be secured with the top block fixing bolt of the starter support and then a plastic clip to PAS pipe.

 

Have you found any diagrams which show the brackets you have?

Edited April 16 by PhilNW

[Leslie green 108]

I found this pic on the forum from mrfirepro's thread of the block mount but not the bracket I have yet 

Edited April 16 by Leslie green

[PhilNW 43]

Looks like the position was as I guessed. Dont have that bracket on my OEM PAS

[Leslie green 108]

Only petrols would have it I guess maybe only gti , if you got the pas from a diesel it possibly has different mountings.

[PhilNW 43]

Put togther the PAS from bits on Ebay but fitted without problems. Only that bracket missing but never had any problems with it. 

[Leslie green 108]

As long as the pipe is secured so its not rubbing on anything  will be fine .

[Leslie green 108]

Got mine fitted yesterday , pipe fits in clip at starter no problem at all and runs by gearbox earth stud , I plan to make the little bracket for the earth stud at a later date  and have an original starter fitted which might be an issue .

 

20241009_142341 by Leslie, on Flickr

Edited October 10 by Leslie green