3rd Gear grind advice

[ob2s 3]

Spirited down shifts in my 1.9 from 4th to 3rd result in an unnerving expensive sounding crunch, which leads me to think of the synchros. Will I need a new transmission ? The car only has 45k miles on it, but that doesn't seem to have benefitted me as much as I thought it would. I'd hate to have a transmission shipped to the US. Suggestions ?

 

Thanks

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by ob2s

[Thijs_Rallye 87 4 Cars]

What oil viscosity is in the box and is the clutch cable adjusted properly?

[welshpug 1,661]

wont need a new transmission, just a 3/4tg gear synchro

[ob2s 3]

11 minutes ago, welshpug said:

wont need a new transmission, just a 3/4tg gear synchro

Thanks, I assume of course the transmission will be dropped and I would take it to a transmission shop ? I hope I can find one that isn't scared away by Peugeot. Many places won't even let me in the door. I may try cable validation and some new oil first. 

[welshpug 1,661]

they are not a difficult transmission to do, I did my own for the very same fault, on mine the spring clip had broken, I found it stuck to the magnet that is inside the case.

 

I made a thread about it too.

 

the Haynes workshop manual does a pretty decent job of covering it also.

[SRDT 182]

You can find BE gearboxes and parts on the US, Peugeot used it on the 405. That being said it may be easier to import what you need.

[Ozymandis 97]

On 12/3/2020 at 5:36 PM, welshpug said:

the Haynes workshop manual does a pretty decent job of covering it also.

Only the earlier edition with a black and white cutaway drawing on the front. The later edition with a reddy/orange coloured illustration on the front has all that info, and more deleted

[ob2s 3]

Thank you for the replies. I finally found someone willing to try this repair. I have a new 3-4 syncro, and I have a BE1, is there a good online reference for removing the gearbox ? I fear that they will be discouraged as they embark on this. The haynes doesn't seem to clearly address removing the gearbox. The shop has 40 years of experience, but he did say he hadn't worked on a French car, so I think I am doomed. 

Thanks

[petert 588]

I think a broken detent spring exhibits similar symptoms.

Edited April 29, 2021 by petert

[DamirGTI 342]

4 hours ago, ob2s said:

a good online reference for removing the gearbox ?

 

https://www.205gtidrivers.com/articles/articles-guides/gearbox-drivetrain/gearbox-swapping-guide-r60/

 

https://www.205gtidrivers.com/forums/topic/140122-be-box-rebuildrefreshrefurb-part-sourcing-and-be1-3-part-crossover/

 

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[ob2s 3]

8 hours ago, petert said:

I think a broken detent spring exhibits similar symptoms.

I hope that is it. It is odd, pausing between shifts (it crunches a lot more down, but also does a bit up) seems to help but sometimes, on occasion if I downshift into 3rd, it crunches and then I go to neutral, wait, put it back in 3rd and it crunches again, and one time to see how many it would do, after the 4th time I stopped because I think it would have happened until I rolled to a stop.

[ob2s 3]

Hi,

I think I am fooked. I found someone willing to try and he has it apart and says I need a new 3rd gear, but someone (in the know) said that 3rd and 4th are joined, so either my guy doesn't know what he is doing or I am doubly fooked ? I really have to get this right, because shipping is so high. 

Thanks

[petert 588]

3rd and 4th are definitely a pair.

[opticaltrigger 52]

Hi there,

Do you have any photo's of the damaged parts.?  That might help the guy's really pin it down for you.

This link could be of help, maybe..

https://www.autogear.uk.com/peugeot/peugeot-205/peugeot-205-be1-be3-gearbox-3rd-4th-gear-hub.html

 

All the best,

O.T.

[ob2s 3]

Here is what the guy said was wrong 

[welshpug 1,661]

looks like the left hand synchro friction ring there is worn, hard to tell from the images, the gears look fine

[ob2s 3]

I acquired a new 3rd gear from Spoox and that fixed it. Thanks for the info, it was invaluable.