Dizzy advance position

[karabas 21]

Hi, I've been struggling with engine problem nearly 10 months. My car starts and runs only in this position shown in the picture attached. I have 1993 1.9GTi with Jetronic D6B engine. 

I took out the timing belt and put back regarding to white lines on the belt to signs on cam pulley and crank pulley. Also checked with dowels. Hairy line on flywheel and mark on plate aligned. There is only 0 mark on the plate.

Dizzy is Bosch 0 237 009 611 (C049 D035). I found that it must be 0 237 009 066 (C043 D019). Advance curve numbers are different.

Engine was running quite well with the dizzy found on before restoration. Everything renewed from bottom to top. This is what I got now.

Ordered a mapco from ebay.de and waiting. is there any other point to check before replacing the dizzy?

 

 

[DamirGTI 342]

That's way on the advance side ...

 

If the timing belt is checked and timed up as it supposed to be , possibly wrong distributor for the engine ... dunno from which car is *611 distributor , should be *066 for 1.9 D6B engine .

 

Either the advance curve in that distributor is totally different , or there might be broken one of the advance springs inside ... broken or slipped off the stop peg ..

 

Easy to check though :

 

 

 

... remove distributor from the engine , with a screwdriver pry off the oval metal cap on the distributor body , use pocket flashlight and shine some light inside the housing while you spin the distributor shaft - two springs should be inside , both secured on each side on little nylon/plastic stop pegs .. if one of the springs is broken or slipped off the stop peg (or the peg can break/disintegrate too ..) that'll be you're problem .

 

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[karabas 21]

Thank you Damir. will do tomorrow. I found a used ducellier from a friend. it has same curve numbers wit 066 dizzy. 

I need to replace my connector on the car which is modified with 2 pin type before.

Ducellier has original 3 pin connector. it is std 3 pin EV1 type connector I think. Cable colors are not visible so Which pin is +,-,shielding wire? 

 

[DamirGTI 342]

Scroll to the middle of this thread and you'll see :

 

 

 

... pictures are "blurred" , but it's because of the Photobucket made them that way since they started charging money for picture uploading .

 

 

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[karabas 21]

I had login problem all day.
I thought I’ve searched deeply and read many posts related dizzy signal cable, connector, plug etc. didn’t see this. 
Thank you Damir. I renewed signal cable with one of your older post but it showed only black and red cable. 
I can’t see pics but I’m sure I can understand after reading all. Thanks once more. 
I’m attaching a pic from my friend. Hope this is correct. Its in Turkish but I think no need to translate. 

[DamirGTI 342]

Can't remember precisely without checking on a car , but i think that's correct ..

 

Signal wires + and - are most important , shielding wire - not so much if any , as it's just for electrical noise suppression (not much use on old analogue Jetronic ECU and it's components .. if it's digital engine management , then yes , should have suppression wiring installed and connected ..)

 

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[Sumpguard 2]

I had problems with a Mafco  distributor my car would only run with it in the position of yours the seller assures  me it’s the correct unit for my car put the old Bosch one back in  the car in running fine.The alignment of the rotor arm is slightly different from Bosch to mafco I would get your  old unit rebuilt

[karabas 21]

On saturday I will put the ducellier one. Will post result. I hope i will solve the problem. 

[DamirGTI 342]

So it's new aftermarket distributor ?

 

"Mapco" brand ? ... if so , pull that out and fit old genuine Bosch or Ducellier distributor .

 

Distributors are a bit specific components , only OEM parts work really .. luckily both Bosch and Ducellier distributors on a 205's where proven reliable , they rarely go bad even now being +25/30 years old .

 

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[karabas 21]

Paid already for Mapco and waiting delivery. We’ll see if I’m lucky.

[DamirGTI 342]

"Mapco" seems to be doing Chinese knock off distributors but with few times "inflated" price on ebay :

 

http://www.hui-zhong.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ppid=162901

 

.. probably sourced by cheap bulk order via "alibaba.com." ... guess they're all built the same internally , just listed as "for various makes and models" .

 

Nothing unusual these days unfortunately , you can get all kinds of crap @ aliexpress and similar Chinese sites which they've found go bad on 205's - printed AFM potentiometer tracks/boards , even complete new AFM's (but with same low quality potentiometer boards inside)  , coils , rear beams/axles etc. all which really isn't worth the bother nor the money spent on buying those stuff (either simply doesn't last , or often doesn't work at all , and build quality is consistent - crap) .

 

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[karabas 21]

8 hours ago, DamirGTI said:

.. probably sourced by cheap bulk order via "alibaba.com." ... guess they're all built the same internally , just listed as "for various makes and models" .

I'm sorry to hear that. I did a huge mistake then. If I achieve to run the car with ducellier, I will not open the hood and don't touch anything in engine bay.

I found an untouched engine bay loom as well. Can be able to check the dizzy signal cable pins once more.

Tomorrow there will be spare coil, ignition module and more and also an 205 gti expert who has one already for over 20 years.

Here in Turkey all 205 GTi s are Jetronic. It's been told to me that Motronic cars were not imported even in year 1994. Due to unleaded fuel I guess. 

I will post result.

[karabas 21]

Result;
Yesterday was started at 10am, ended at 12am.... (14 hours)
First, I did what Damir recommend and I found that one of the springs in dizzy somehow came off. (see pic) We fixed it but this didn't change advance position. 
My friend came with a correct numbered bosh distributor (0 237 009 066). First we checked fuel pressure, then new fuel pump installed. Compression checked, all 4 more than 160psi. New HT leads, new dizzy cap and rotor arm and yesssss car ran in the middle of the mounting hole on dizzy.
Everything was ok and we were going to tidy engine bay, suddenly engine started knocking. Wile checking the injectors, num 4 wasn't spray at all or weak fuelling. All injector are newly refurbished. We suspected on about ignition wiring due to everything changed suddenly.
We decided to check wiring, but this should be done another day, so we quit working.
End of the day, at least "dizzy advance position" problem solved.
May be I will open another topic for no spray or weak fuel.

Thanks a lot for every contributions.