Lsd Converison (Traction Consepts)

[NFS 32]

Has anyone seen these? are they any good? price is high but wondering if money wasnt an object how/do they work?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-205-GTI-LSD-Limited-Slip-Differential-Conversion-Kit-/262307269477?hash=item3d12bb4b65:g:gyMAAOSwnDZT9CVj

[welshpug 1,657]

erm, no thanks! its just two lumps of metal and some springs, that will not be very effective compared to a proper diff.

 

that's about half the price of an ATB or proper LSD.

[jackherer 543]

Even if they were a good idea in general they would be a bad idea in a BE box due to the weakness of the pin holding the standard diff together. Removing that weakness is a big secondary benefit to fitting an LSD to a BE box so an LSD that retains it probably wont last long under the extra stress.

[xy8 4]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsamara+lsd.TRS0&_nkw=samara+lsd&_sacat=0

 

 

You can have proper lsd for less.

I have plate lsd from lada samara in be3 gearbox.

Edited January 31, 2017 by xy8

[NFS 32]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsamara+lsd.TRS0&_nkw=samara+lsd&_sacat=0

 

 

You can have proper lsd for less.

I have plate lsd from lada samara in be3 gearbox.

 

Really? ive never heard of this? how did you figure out that these diffs for the lada fit the be boxes?

[xy8 4]

Idea is not mine, but whoever did it first was a genius.

 

I did find some information online , but not enough and had to figure it out myself.

 

Same diff can also be used in vw gearboxes .

[NFS 32]

Idea is not mine, but whoever did it first was a genius.

 

I did find some information online , but not enough and had to figure it out myself.

 

Same diff can also be used in vw gearboxes .

 

Thanks, So does is it a direct fit? so i take mine out, take the crown wheel off, bolt it to the Lada LSD and then bolt it back in??

[welshpug 1,657]

no, looks like there are some modifications required, spline count is not correct.

 

fine if you are an engineer and have access to machinery, but if youre paying someone to do the work you're likely better to buy a direct fit unit.

[xy8 4]

Splines match .Diff bearing inner diameter is 35(lada samara) vs 38 mm( be3), that was basically only problem.

 

Total cost was under 300 euros.

Edited January 31, 2017 by xy8

[wicked 103 3 Cars]

Any one ever tried these:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112262090494

 

He also sells Lada Samara diffs that look very similar, but much cheaper.

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

Any one ever tried these:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112262090494

 

He also sells Lada Samara diffs that look very similar, but much cheaper.

Looks like a Quaife ATB but not as well finished!!

Personally I'd rather hold out for a second hand known quantity at similar pricing, but that's just me.

[xy8 4]

Any one ever tried these:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112262090494

 

He also sells Lada Samara diffs that look very similar, but much cheaper.

 

Unfortunately they only make thorsen type lsd´s for be 3, that´s why I used samara plate diff ,also from Russia , but different manufacturer.

[Schumi 2]

Very interesting. Its to cheap for not to try.

[wicked 103 3 Cars]

Splines match .Diff bearing inner diameter is 35(lada samara) vs 38 mm( be3), that was basically only problem.

 

Total cost was under 300 euros.

 

How did you fix the bearings?

 

Haven't seen a second hand Quaife's coming by lately for decent money. Could be a nice alternative.

[xy8 4]

Had couple of bushings made by a friend ,inner diameter fraction under 35 mm, heated and then installed .

 

Also had to use thick washer under right side diff bearing, I have forgotten measurements , it was two years ago.

 

There are couple of more issues , speedo drive , I didn´t bother with that, car is used mostly on the track anyway.

 

Final drive and diff were machined to center final drive and to bring it to the right position,finally new holes drilled into FD.

Edited February 2, 2017 by xy8

[andy0075 9 1 Cars]

A friend of mine is building such "LSD's" for FIAT,... and it is not as bad as one may think.

It works well on street cars. You can achive a preload of about 30Nm depending on the

springrate. So it is a nice upgrade but not for that price from the ebaylink.

My friend is selling this for about 150 pounds.

[And 15 1 Cars]

To the original post,

I can see the idea is along the lines of the VW set up but they use the bolt of the shaft stub to hold the spring preload but that just looks poor and well you may as well just weld the diff than use that as if it fails it will give the same affect..

Edited February 4, 2017 by And

[NFS 32]

There is a guy on facebook that is selling a BE3 gearbox with a val-racing diff, anyone seen these or heard of these before? works out to be £274 before shipping.

 

Some translating is in order.

 

http://www.val-racing.ru/shop/product/differentsial-povyshennogo-treniya-dlya-peredneprivodnykh-avtomobiley-peugeot-i-citroen-samoblokiruyushchiysya-differentsial-k-b-70-kategoriya-turizm

 

 

 

Reference: VR-12-L000002
Manufacturer of the car: Cars CITROEN
Category: standard - city up to 70%, off-road to 30%.
The blocking ratio is 50% .: no
Coefficient of blocking 70% .: no
Construction type: Self-locking - Screw
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Description Options

Inter-wheel, self-locking differentials of screw (worm) type, 8-satellite (patent of the Russian Federation №55063 from 27.07.2006).

Before buying make sure that your car is equipped with a differential article number 311853!

For installation in a manual gearbox model BE-3 G / BOX cars Peugeot and Citroen. In overall and installation dimensions corresponds to the serial free differential of the articles of the differential No. 311853

PEUGEOT Differential Part No. 311853
Model Year of manufacture
1007 2005-2010 BE4R
206 1998-2008 BE4R
BE4
207 2006-2012 BE4R
306 1996-2003 BE3
BE3R
307 2000-2010 BE4R
BE4J
405 1994-2004 BE3
406 1995-2005 BE3R
BE3
407 2005-2010 BE4R
PARTNER M49, M59 1996-2007 BE3R
BE4R

CITROEN Differential Part No. 311853
Model Year of manufacture
BERLINGO 1998-2012 BE4R
BE3
BE3R
C2 2006-2010 BE4-5L
C3 2002-2009 BE4R
BE4-5L
C4 2004-2011 BE4N
C5 2001-2008 BE4R
XANTIA 1998-2003 BE3
BE3R
XSARA PICASSO 1999-2012 BE4R
BE4N

Differential box advertising STR-2303016 VR

Peugeot408 citroen_c4_63650

Category "TOURISM". The blocking ratio is up to 70% (0.7).

Designation on the package: foreign cars- Peugeot-Citroen-screw-tourism.

The designation in the marking number "L2".

Inter-wheel differential limited friction (self-locking differential) screw type. Designed to improve the dynamic characteristics of a front-wheel drive car.

[Type-R 3]

Seems worth a shot at the price

[NFS 32]

I might give it a shot. Can anyone say if it will defo fit?

[Type-R 3]

I'd be more concerned with not getting scammed or getting my credit cards jacked.

 

If they're legit I'll get one myself in 6 months. I expect it will need some fettling to fit.

[NFS 32]

They offer to pay by PayPal. Which under the buyers protection i should be covered if I do not receive the item. Because it lists BE3 for the 405 does that mean it will be fine for my 1.6 BE3 box?

[xy8 4]

I am sure it fits, I was thinking of buying one two years ago.

Val-racing made diffs back then and they are still in business so I don´t think they are going to rip-off.

 

I also drove couple of months with welded diff .

I tried it just because there are so much different opinions about fwd with welded diff .

It was almost like driving with plate diff , be careful at slow speeds not to break driveshafts and then just stay on throttle and car turns.

[Farrokh2k13 0 1 Cars]

Hello, anyone has bought and installed this LSD from Valracing? I bought this LSD about 1 year ago for my 205 GTI 1.9 but my mechanic was not able to put it, he said me that it doesn't fit. Anyone had the same problem? Thanks.

[SRDT 180]

If you put it inside a BE3R from a 306 you need to grind a little bit inside the gearbox, maybe on an older gearbox you need to grind even more.