dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Can someone tell me how a standard 1.9 car/engine would behave with an Xsara VTS box on it please?, would it be a quicker? would the gears be a bit too short for general daily road use? Xsara VTS 1ST..2.92 2nd..1.86 3rd..1.28 4th ..0.95 5th..0.74 FD..4.43 1.9GTI 1st 2.923 2nd 1.850 3rd 1.360 4th 1.069 5th 0.865 final 3.688 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biggles 65 Posted September 13, 2016 At a guess - VTS 1st to 4th is shorter so prob quicker round the lanes - 5th is not much difference so cruising on the motorway not much change.. Gearbox:- 1.9 gearsetTyre:- Yokohama A048 195/50 x 15-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Gear gives 21.071 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 147.499 MPH at 7000 RPMEngine speeds in top gear:- 30 MPH = 1424 RPM 40 MPH = 1898 RPM 50 MPH = 2373 RPM 60 MPH = 2847 RPM 70 MPH = 3322 RPM 80 MPH = 3797 RPM 90 MPH = 4271 RPM 100 MPH = 4746 RPMTop Speed in 1 gear = 43.649 MPH And changes into 2 gear at 4430 RPM dropping 2570 RPMTop Speed in 2 gear = 68.966 MPH And changes into 3 gear at 5146 RPM dropping 1854 RPMTop Speed in 3 gear = 93.814 MPH And changes into 4 gear at 5502 RPM dropping 1498 RPMTop Speed in 4 gear = 119.351 MPH And changes into 5 gear at 5664 RPM dropping 1336 RPMTop Speed in 5 gear = 147.499 MPH******************************************************************************************Gearbox:- VTS gearsetTyre:- Yokohama A048 195/50 x 15-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Gear gives 20.505 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 143.536 MPH at 7000 RPMEngine speeds in top gear:- 30 MPH = 1463 RPM 40 MPH = 1951 RPM 50 MPH = 2438 RPM 60 MPH = 2926 RPM 70 MPH = 3414 RPM 80 MPH = 3901 RPM 90 MPH = 4389 RPM 100 MPH = 4877 RPMTop Speed in 1 gear = 36.376 MPH And changes into 2 gear at 4459 RPM dropping 2541 RPMTop Speed in 2 gear = 57.106 MPH And changes into 3 gear at 4817 RPM dropping 2183 RPMTop Speed in 3 gear = 82.982 MPH And changes into 4 gear at 5195 RPM dropping 1805 RPMTop Speed in 4 gear = 111.807 MPH And changes into 5 gear at 5453 RPM dropping 1547 RPMTop Speed in 5 gear = 143.536 MPH****************************************************************************************** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony 1,003 Posted September 13, 2016 Define quicker? It would certainly feel quicker and more frantic, but I'm not entirely sure that there would be much in it against the clock - especially say 0-60mph where you'd need an extra gear change on the VTS 'box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Thanks Biggles, am I right in saying it looks as though it would be pretty well suited? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Define quicker? It would certainly feel quicker and more frantic, but I'm not entirely sure that there would be much in it against the clock - especially say 0-60mph where you'd need an extra gear change on the VTS 'box. Yeah feeling quicker is what I would be after. (prob the same discussion as a 1.9 box on a GTI6 v's a VTS box on a GTI6). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Does a GTI6 flywheel (lightened) fit on a 1.9 engine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony 1,003 Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, it'll fit any XU engine. You'll need a matching clutch (1.9 Mi16) though as the original 8v one won't fit being 200mm (vs 215mm for the '6 flywheel) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, it'll fit any XU engine. You'll need a matching clutch (1.9 Mi16) though as the original 8v one won't fit being 200mm (vs 215mm for the '6 flywheel) Thanks, i'm just weighing up options should I decide to do a reverse conversion. So if I wanted to I could run my GTI6 lightened flywheel and 215mm clutch, VTS box etc. Only thing it would be BE3 reverse gear rather than the original BE1 that was on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcc 855 Posted September 13, 2016 I have a vts box on my 1.9 8v, with gti6 flywheel, mi16 clutch, obly thing I will say is if you have moved your radiator using the lowering bracket from fenton, or similar, it will foul the rad due to bracing on the casing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Cool, does it feel any better/livelier than the 1.9 box? (My rad is in standard position) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcc 855 Posted September 13, 2016 Yes, but my engine revs past standard, it its a much better suited box for the engine imho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshpug 1,661 Posted September 13, 2016 I dont think Dan has ever had a 1.9 box on that engine, its had 4.93's with gti gearset as well as the xsara vts box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobboy 231 2 Cars Posted September 13, 2016 Cheers both, it's food for thought ???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petert 588 Posted September 14, 2016 A VTS is basically identical to an Mi16 box. It will be fine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pug_ham 244 3 Cars Posted September 15, 2016 Thanks Biggles, am I right in saying it looks as though it would be pretty well suited? I run an Mi16 box on one of my 1.6 GTI's and I think it's a very well suited box & possibly the best standard gear set for a 205 with any engine, 8v or 16v. g 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
