Mi16 Engined 205 Advice Please

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

Hey guys, I'm about to come into possession of a 205 which hasn't seen the road for almost a decade, it's the 1.9 shell with an MI16 engine, the chap I'm buying from seems to recall the engine isn't positioned right in the bay and was/could/is causing possible oil starvation, does this sound familiar?

 

The engine to me, doesn't look in good shape on passing glance, it's calciumified and mostly the pipe work isn't attached plus the radiator is a new one that hasn't been fitted in yet. I noticed a bottle of K-Seal within the parts in the rear of the car also, so I'd assume head problems - is the engine worth pursuing or should I get it pulled out and a stock 1.9 put in? Is the Mi16 engine problematic for parts etc versus a factory GTi engine?

 

The car wasn't expensive so I've got some cash to throw at it since the shell has held up reasonably well....

Thanks in advance

[Anthony 1,003]

I suspect from the description that the engine has been tilted, which was a common bodge to get the exhaust manifold to clear. Look at the lower engine mount fork and see if it's been extended.

 

Mi16 spares are becoming more problematic than the equivalent 8v but most bits aren't too bad.

 

The outside will probably look pretty furred up if it's been sat around in damp air for years being alloy and all, but it's how the inside is that's important.

 

205 Mi16's are great fun when done properly, but if it's purely one to turn around and sell on then putting an 8v back in might be the best bet.

[toolie72 67 1 Cars]

Engine will look skanky if it's just been sitting.

I'd be wary about two things you've mentioned ie kseal and new rad

I had to put realseal (or whatever it's called-yellow stuff) in a cracked 8valve just to keep it going until I got another engine (north of Scotland-no 8valve trees) and it buggered up everything-it sealed crack tho!!-and heater and thermostat and radiator and radiator cap and finally engine started blowing hoses left right and centre as block was blocked

When engine was changed I took head off old one and it was half full of a kinda sandy like substance

 

Price car accordingly-you might be buying several peoples problems and it could put you right off an otherwise honest fun car

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

Yes I think he mentioned it being a cheap botch to get it in there, is it something that is easy enough to be put right assuming the engine will be okay? I'd quite like to keep the 16 valve engine in there since I've never owned one and would consider keeping it.

 

When he mentioned the angle I was a little worried about buying it as the conversion engines I have no idea about but if it can be sorted in a cost effective way, I'll carry on getting it fired up and property recomissioned. You're right though, it looked very furred up ha!

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

Yeah the K-seal certainly didn't fill me with confidence, the coolant bottle wasn't exactly attached to check for evidence of past sins either which didn't help, I assume I could probably get the head redone best case scenario but like you said, it could have caused more damage in other areas...

[jackherer 543]

The tilted engine will cause the same amount of oil starvation as you'd get driving up a slight incline, i.e. none.

 

It will wear the driveshafts out prematurely and the gear linkages wont be quite right so it is worth untilting it, all that requires is a re-angled exhaust manifold and an unmodified lower engine mount fork.

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

That's reminded me! Yeah, there were drive shafts in the boot that looked new plus a replacement gear box as he said the linkages were sloppy! You guys really know your shizzle!

[pp205 17]

I see that you're in Plymouth, I'm in Exeter and have a Mi16 in my 205 so if you want to have a look at how mines been done then I could pop down sometime. I think I still have my reangled manifold somewhere as I replaced it with a 4 branch system from Miles,

 

Cheers

 

Simon

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

I see that you're in Plymouth, I'm in Exeter and have a Mi16 in my 205 so if you want to have a look at how mines been done then I could pop down sometime. I think I still have my reangled manifold somewhere as I replaced it with a 4 branch system from Miles,

Cheers

Simon

Ah that would be ideal Simon! There aren't many to use for reference down this end !

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

So this is currently what's under the hood ...

 

 

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

Wow, that's seen better days. I would be taking the engine out and starting again looking at the wiring, fuel lines etc. Looks like you have all the necessary bits though.

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

Yeah it's a little messy in there, are these meant to have an AFM?

[Anthony 1,003]

Yes, looks like that and some of the induction/breather pipework is missing. Looks like an open hole on the thermostat housing outlet too.

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

I've got a pipe in the back of the car that is like an oval shape which looks like a breather hose may go on it, but if this attaches the AFM I assume it's different to the 205 GTi one?

Is any of this still obtainable or am I chasing my tail do we reckon?

[Anthony 1,003]

That'll be the throttle body to AFM pipe.

 

Everything is obtainable, just a question of price and patience. Mi16 stuff is getting harder to come by, but its not that hard.

 

AFM is the same part as a 205 GTi CAT (Motronic) but different to the non-CAT (Jetronic). I think all of the breather pipes are different to 8v stuff as are lots of other bits.

 

Perhaps taking stock of what you have and what you're missing or needs replacing would be a good start, as well as seeing as best you can how serviceable the engine is.

[pp205 17]

I could try and pop down next weekend if that's good with you, I can let you know in the week for sure. If you PM me your address and we can arrange from there?

[camgti 56]

I would pull it all out. Clean it all up. Order the bits required to put it back in nicly if its not too much work. Have the head gasket, timing belt etc changed while its out. Put it back together and enjoy it.

 

If its all too messed up from a wiring, rust, butchered point of view then maybe an 8v conversion is in order.

 

Dont worrk too much about the angle of the engine, while its out you can put the right bits on it to straighten it up.

[forbeslongden 32 13 Cars]

Okay gents, so here's the update, the car is cranking after some considerable work by my guys - I need a coil as the one there is corroded pretty badly, does it share the same one with the 205 GTi? If not, can someone point me in the direction of a cheap replacement?

[Anthony 1,003]

A Ph2 GTi inlet mounted coil will do for testing purposes if you've one to hand - the coil itself is the same, just the bracket differs.