Clutch Pedal On The Floor, Clutch Sounding Very Bad At Idle, Rattling.

[johnhenry 20]

Afternoon all

 

Was driving along this morning and i went to change down the gearbox, and after that the clutch felt really notchey, and shuddery, seeing a lot of vibration through the gearstick and feeling shuddering through the clutch pedal, only when applying any pressure to it.

 

Managed to limp in to a lay-by - shut it all off, opened the bonnet, the clutch cable has a lot more slack in it as in I could almost free/unhook the cable from the arm. but the cable wasn't snapped as It still showed resistance.

 

in my head I had to get the car home then (luckily only 2 miles away).

 

After starting it back up again, the clutch pedal went to the floor, and wouldn't come back up, getting a gear became impossible, I just kept it in 1st and trundled home. the clutch making an absolutely racket.

 

no clutch slip or the like.

no nasty smells (burning clutch)

no oil leaks (other than out of the driveshaft seals which is an ongoing issue)

 

Can anyone point to what might have happened?

 

Im thinking - the lever arm on the gearbox has broken somewhere, stopping the clutch engaging/disengaging. which is then in the time it took to get home, caused damage to the clutch itself.

 

Cheers

John

 

EDIT - Reverse (its a BE1 box/ up by 1st) has always been problematic, crunching occasionally)

Edited June 28, 2014 by johnhenry

[welshpug 1,661]

release bearing broken up, possibly gone through the pressure plate.

[johnhenry 20]

sounds kind of about right! Clutch/gearboxes confuse me.

 

I guess its a case of getting the gearbox off the car and seeing what the damage is. Is replacing the release bearing a straight forward job/doable on a driveway?

 

Thanks again

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

Yes.

[johnhenry 20]

if I have a BE3 lever arm fitted, will this mean I need a BE3 release bearing or still a BE1?

The modification was done by Miles on here when he refurbed the engine/gearbox

[dcc 855]

Yep, sounds like you need a new clutch too

[johnhenry 20]

Yep, sounds like you need a new clutch too

I'm going to be getting a kit so its all present, definitely need a new clutch, the sounds it was making this morning, definitely a gonn'er :/

 

EDIT - sorry, when you say yet, Which release bearing do you think i need?

Edited June 28, 2014 by johnhenry

[welshpug 1,661]

be3 arm = be3 clutch kit.

 

I think Goliath still has a Sachs BE3 kit brand new going spare.

Edited June 28, 2014 by welshpug

[dcc 855]

His is 200mm mei, for 8v, johns got an mi16 iirc, 215mm

[johnhenry 20]

wrong john Im afraid, I have a rattley little 8 valver

 

Thanks Mei! I shall try and reach him over here/facebook

 

EDIT - Just to make sure I'm not being stupid, this is the be3 kit I would need, if i ended up going through ECP/the like. Im after one with hexagon shape on the inside as opposed to the splines?

 

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_205_1.9_1989/p/car-parts/car-transmission/clutch-and-associated-parts/clutch-kit/?641545410&1&f918509d50b3e3019f076c5ed6e0015f95ac0cc2&000069

 

Cheers

John

Edited June 28, 2014 by johnhenry

[welshpug 1,661]

I'm not sure what you mean John, but all BE boxes used the same input shaft spline.

 

the only difference between the 8v BE1 and BE3 kit is the bearing.

 

 

link looks correct, if a little expensive.

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Have you checked your gearbox bolts? Oil seeping out of the driveshaft seals is a bit of a giveaway that they are seperating, so is the sagging clutch pedal. Had this problem a few times.

[johnhenry 20]

Have you checked your gearbox bolts? Oil seeping out of the driveshaft seals is a bit of a giveaway that they are seperating, so is the sagging clutch pedal. Had this problem a few times.

 

I hadn't checked them no,

either way, clutch is shagged out now, as is the bearing by the sounds of it, so ill be retightening the bolts when the gearbox goes back on

[johnhenry 20]

got the gearbox removed, found a completely ruined release bearing!

 

would anyone mind confirming this is a BE3 or BE1?

 

 

pretty sure its a BE3

 

Cheers

John

[welshpug 1,661]

Yup, be3, gmf have them on the shelf usually.

Pressure plate ok and the bushes? I have a few pairs if white bushes if you need

[johnhenry 20]

I haven't taken any of the clutch assembly apart yet, but i can see ball bearings wedged in the 'leafs' of the pressure plate, there is also scarring to it so its a new clutch kit jobby!

 

White bushes? where are they? as i said i haven't taken any of clutch apart yet, what should i look for regarding them?

 

Cheers

John

[welshpug 1,661]

The bushes on the clutch fork cross-shaft, especially if the shaft is rusty, adds to the "they're all like that" heavy clutch pedal, when they actually are quite nice with everything replaced

 

 

Be3/4 clutch fork bushes by WELSHPUG, on Flickr

 

That's the updated type with some seals.

[johnhenry 20]

aaaah i got you! mine were replaced/made sure to be okay when the box was rebuilt

 

and my clutch was actually feeling quite nice, right up until it all went bad pretty quick!

thanks anyways for that

[Goliath 94]

I still have the brand new sachs clutch kit for sale for £40. Let me know if you want it.

[johnhenry 20]

ah christ i totally forgot! welshpug mentioned you might have, I've just gone and ordered one, nightmare :/ sorry chap!