Trying To Fit 25Et Offset To A 205 Question?

[JR20516V 6]

Today i tried a dummy run of fitting some different offset wheels to the rear of my 205 [drum brakes rear ] and had a small clearance problem. The ET of the proposed wheels is 25....so i used a 10mm spacer to get it to near the factory offset which i thought would leave me with tons of space....but no !! The inner tyre still rubs on the brake hoses and its fixings. I am only talking say 3 to 4mm.

Any tips why?

 

Wheels are 15x7 et25 tyres 195 x50x15.

Car is standard GTi...not lowered....no mods.

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

15x7 et15 (which yours are with 10mm spacers) should fit fine. Can you not manipulate the brake pipes out of the way?

 

Are they hubcentrics?

[JR20516V 6]

Thats what i thought too Allan.....ET15 should be no problem. Cant move the brake lines unfortunately. Not hubcentric....just a 10mm shim used to dummy up the situation before i spend on a hubcentric adapter with longer bolts.

I am thinking if i do buy hubcentric adapters i might have to go 20mm just to be sure [as 15mm may still just be on the limit ] however 20mm is starting to get up there which i dont like too much.

[JR20516V 6]

UPDATE: Placed the same wheel and spacer on another of my GTi's and found i now have no rubbing...albeit only a 2mm space.

Now here is the surprise.... i placed the 7x 15 et25 wheel [spacer not reqd i am told ] on the front wheels to check caliper clearance etc........ i have a 1mm gap between tyre edge and damper.....a bit too close for my liking :{

 

Is it the norm to put spacers on the front wheels as well ??

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

I reckon your brake lines are wrong.

Yes you'll need a spacer front and rear.

Has it got 1600 or 1900 front hubs? 1600s will want a thinner spacer to get them to fit right but a 1900 will look neigh on perfect on et15 15x7s and clear the strut fine.

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

I have some 7x15 ET25 dished wheels which I used to run on my CTI with a 10mm spacer on the back on a 1.9 rear beam. It had 1.6 hubs at the front and didn't need spacers with 195/50/15 tyres. I then changed to a 309 setup (1.9 hubs) and they just caught the shock so I put a 10mm spacer on.

[JR20516V 6]

I reckon your brake lines are wrong.

### I dont believe so Allan....they are all exactly the same on my three 205's when i checked
Yes you'll need a spacer front and rear.

 

Has it got 1600 or 1900 front hubs? 1600s will want a thinner spacer to get them to fit right but a 1900 will look neigh on perfect on et15 15x7s and clear the strut fine.

### It has 1600 rear standard hubs [drum brakes ] and on the front it has 1900 hubs with 306 calipers. Calipers fit fine however as i say...the wheel is imm away from the Bilstein B4 strut.

 

I know that it is a given to have a spacer on the rear when using ET25 however i didnt expect an issue on the front. Maybe cause its a 7" could be the problem whereas people who fit Nimrods etc [et25 ] are only 6.75 from memory.????????????

[JR20516V 6]

Hi Henry....hope all is well :}

 

By your comments it seems a spacer is required on both rear AND front.....bugger.!! I am also using 195x50x15 tyres so it has me mystified.

I very hesitant to place spacers on the front wheel of a front wheel drive car.....did you ever have any problems with them, handling problems etc etc.

Were they hubcentric front and back? [or just shims ]?

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

not sure where you've heard 15x7 et25s are correct for the front? Ive never heard anyone recommend staggered offsets front to rear? et25 + 10mm spacers on 15x7s should fit fine front and rear, I have et16s on one of my cars and they fit perfectly.

 

If all three of your cars are running exactly the same set up on the rear something must be bent on the car with the fouling brake lines. maybe you could put a photo up of the fouling issue with the wheel and 10mm spacer fitted?

 

are you getting mixed up with nimrods and oreagans (same style, different offset)?

[JR20516V 6]

The fouling brake lines are not an issue on the second car i tried.... but it has the same clearance from the suspension on the rear...about 2-3 mm which is not much.

The 3rd car was exactly the same....:{

 

Maybe i am getting mixed up with the Nimrods and Ourigans....what IS the difference? please tell :} [My second option is to fit a set of Nimrods i have spare but dont want to go that route when these ET25 wheels are so nice ]

[welshpug 1,656]

Nimrod I have no idea where the name comes from,. they all have Ouragan stamped on the back, there's a few variants but two specific in 16", both 6.5" wide one ET28 and one ET20

 

 

ET28 I know WILL fit a 309 gti without any spacers if they have 195's, minimal clearance, but they Did fit!

 

 

However as you are comparing against a 7" wheel the offset figures do not need to be the same to make them fit, ET28x6.5 compared to an ET25x7" will have a further 4mm additional width on the inner edge, given how close the Ouragans sit and how slim the inner lip is I would do as Allan suggested and use a 10mm spacer.

 

that will make them sit with 15mm additional on the outside, and 9 on the inner side.

 

http://www.willtheyfit.com

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

Hi Henry....hope all is well :}

 

By your comments it seems a spacer is required on both rear AND front.....bugger.!! I am also using 195x50x15 tyres so it has me mystified.

I very hesitant to place spacers on the front wheel of a front wheel drive car.....did you ever have any problems with them, handling problems etc etc.

Were they hubcentric front and back? [or just shims ]?

 

I'm well John Just for info, I ran some non hubcentric 10mm spacers on the front of my CTI for years with absolutely no issues with handling, wobble etc. I did move to a stud conversion when I fitted these wheels and the nuts I used had a 60 degree taper so pulled much more centrally than a standard Peugeot bolt, which in theory reduces the chance of wheel wobble.

 

If it is a Peugeot wheel you are looking at, most of the details on the offsets etc are here http://pscuk.net/content/42-Peugeot-Alloy-Wheels

[JR20516V 6]

Nimrod I have no idea where the name comes from,. they all have Ouragan stamped on the back, there's a few variants but two specific in 16", both 6.5" wide one ET28 and one ET20

 

 

ET28 I know WILL fit a 309 gti without any spacers if they have 195's, minimal clearance, but they Did fit!

 

 

However as you are comparing against a 7" wheel the offset figures do not need to be the same to make them fit, ET28x6.5 compared to an ET25x7" will have a further 4mm additional width on the inner edge, given how close the Ouragans sit and how slim the inner lip is I would do as Allan suggested and use a 10mm spacer.

 

that will make them sit with 15mm additional on the outside, and 9 on the inner side.

 

http://www.willtheyfit.com

" I would do as Allan suggested and use a 10mm spacer."

err.....thats what this post is mainly about with respect....I HAVE got a 10mm spacer on a 25ET wheel and it it still a bees d*ck away from the hub carrier on the rear.

[JR20516V 6]

 

I'm well John Just for info, I ran some non hubcentric 10mm spacers on the front of my CTI for years with absolutely no issues with handling, wobble etc. I did move to a stud conversion when I fitted these wheels and the nuts I used had a 60 degree taper so pulled much more centrally than a standard Peugeot bolt, which in theory reduces the chance of wheel wobble.

 

If it is a Peugeot wheel you are looking at, most of the details on the offsets etc are here http://pscuk.net/content/42-Peugeot-Alloy-Wheels

Thats great to know Henry....appreciate :}

It appears i will go for 15mm hubcentics on the rear and just my 10mm shims on the front as you have done.

[welshpug 1,656]

if its not rubbing, its fine!

 

just a thought, does your car use 40mm or 30mm wide rear shoes?

Edited April 29, 2014 by welshpug

[JR20516V 6]

if its not rubbing, its fine!

 

just a thought, does your car use 40mm or 30mm wide rear shoes?

Geez Mei....you have got me there. Rear shoes are OE whatever that may be be??

 

Yes, they are not rubbing however with just 3mm on the rear and a 1mm on the front free space all i need to do is hit a large bump etc and its a knockfest :}

[welshpug 1,656]

I was asking as its an Aussie car, they seem to be parts bin spectaculars

[JR20516V 6]

Yep, you are spot on there with the parts bin spectaculars....LOL

Thats what makes it so interesting owning a 205 in Ozwalia....also like a box of chocolates....you never know what you are going to get. [cue Tom Hanks here ]