Respraying.... Is It A Sin?

[ScoobyJawa 23]

So my 1990 Sorrento is in overall good condition and has less than 80k miles on the clock.

 

The paint is currently all original but due to the previous owner not clearing off fecking bird crap quickly enough, those parts where it sat are now starting to craze and show the undercoat. Theres only a few bits on the paint but it annoys me everytime I clean it. I can't just fix where they are as it would be so obvious so am umming and ahhing about respraying the car.

 

Thing is I can't help feel that being on the original paint is much better than a respray as the car is honest and its not like you are trying to cover anything up, like its had previous accident damage etc.

 

So I'd like other peoples thoughts and comments on if the paint should be left original, or I should just get it done, and if either way would effect the future value.......

 

Thanks

Neil

[hexhamstu 9]

I'll probably get mine sprayed at some point. Lacquer has pretty much disappeared from the roof. Value wise, if you get a good quality respray done, including the engine bay I'd say it would add a good bit to the value. Especially if you photo document it, so it's obvious it wasn't in an accident etc.

Edited April 17, 2014 by hexhamstu

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Difficult one this and everyone has an opinion on it. I'd personally sooner have a car with original blemished paint than a re-sprayed one. Obviously if all the lacquers fallen off or the colours faded beyond rescue that's a different story, I just feel a car with original paint and a bit of character is far cooler and IMO worth more, to me at least

[iPlod999 143 1 Cars]

Do you have pictures of the bits?

 

A smart repairer or even a pro detailer could let you know if they can do something with it.

 

At the fraction of the cost of a respray.

Edited April 17, 2014 by iPlod999

[dale205mills 39 7 Cars]

I had the same thoughts about my silver 205 but my Dad, Miles, Henry York and a few others and one of the judges at show and shine at pug fest said it would be criminal to re paint my 205 and lose the original paint of the car, there are a few chips and marks but after taken all the trim off and using a cutting compound and mop on the paint gave it even more of a well factor to look at and to feel for a 25 year old car.

Edited April 17, 2014 by dale205mills

[willis 18 1 Cars]

I too have a 1990 Sorrento which I'm pretty sure has had some blending done to the sides in the past (not covering anything up thankfully), it's currently having it's wing resprayed after a nasty scratch but when I look at some bits of the roof it's obvious why.

 

The lacquer on 205's, especially sorrento's and miami's, is awful.

 

I can see both sides of the argument, but if you were to move into a 25 year old house you certainly wouldn't say "we must keep the paint original".

 

Also, unless the car has always been garaged, waxed on a regular basis etc I think you'd be surprised just how much paint changes colour/tone over time due to sunlight and various other factors.

[Kane 34]

I would vote on the side of a respray, although it would have to be a proper job all trim off inside and out etc. In terms of value I would say it depends on the person buying it as there are mixed opinions on this. Some people would happily pay good money for a vehicle on original paint even if slightly 'aged' whereas others might be looking for an out the showroom finish which is easily achievable with a decent respray

[DC2T 51]

It wouldnt bother me at all spraying, id rather have good paint than original. But i see both sides of the coin, depending on how bad i may just get it touched up by a pro

[Davy 18 1 Cars]

This is the type of decision making that drives me insane!... If it was your average 140k car that had already seen a bit of painting then I'd say go for the respray, but if thats a genuine 80k, and otherwise fresh looking, genuine car, then a few blemishes wouldnt bother me in the slightest!... While fully restored show queens look amazing I can still equally appreciate the tidy, original examples.

 

If you do paint it then you need to find the "where do you stop" point!.. Like mentioned above, to paint the outside really means doing engine bay as well, which means a gutting session... Would you be able to put all the original bits back on without any stripping / cleaning / painting / electroplating etc?..

 

Good luck with the decision making!

[eddie bullit 37]

Agree with above..once you start there's no going back. Why don't you have a pro detailer give it the once over. If they can't improve it or you're still not happy then go down the respray route.

[ScoobyJawa 23]

Thanks for the replies guys, some good comments there, most of which I've sort of gone through in my own head already so its nice to see others think along the same lines on both sides of the fence!!!

 

Its a genuine 80k and the lacquer is fine just these few spots. I'm leaning on the side of just keeping it as it is and not having any paint put on it. I'll get some pics up of the offending marks at the weekend to help with the discussion!!

[Craig01 9 1 Cars]

I had this problem with mine (65k) the bonnet looked terrible due to laquer peel etc. did everything I could to dress it up with detailing methods but it still just let the whole car down so got a proper respray. I agree with many on the 'original paint' thing as when I go to look at a car I always wonder what a respray could be hiding. However, the car is at an age now where *some* can look tatty, so I would document the whole process with photos etc so that if you do have to sell in future you can show this to a potential buyer.

Edited April 24, 2014 by Craig01

[Kane 34]

I think a big point to make also is whether you're looking to keep the car for a long term as original paint in an ok state now will likely not look the great in another 10 years regardless of how well it is kept.

[lightflow 59 1 Cars]

I think it's irrelevant to value as long as the re-spray is top quality and documented. The value is set by the market. There will be some that want a mint show finish and others that want an original patina - parties from each camp will pay accordingly for the best examples of their type.

 

Go with what makes you happiest. (Either way - great original or great respray - good, poor original or poor respray - bad)

[feb 47]

If you plan on keeping the car and it is important for you that it looks good I'd get it done.

 

I don't see why original paint is better than a good respray (not talking about a blow over).

 

A car is bound to have some paint to it at some point in its life.

[mowflow 67]

In several years time the difference in value between 2 identical and known straight cars, 1 with slightly tatty original paint and the other with a good full respray will be next to nothing in terms of % of overall value.

 

I'd do whatever keeps you happy with the car.

[ScoobyJawa 23]

Heres the pics fellas, see what you think:

 

 

 

[Plumbob 66 1 Cars]

I didn't want to start a whole new topic on this, so thought i'd add this to the last relevant one.

 

I had a guy round last weekend from a local bodyshop to give me a price to respray my 205, he came up with a price of "approx" £4000 + VAT and I get the distinct impression that he was either trying to rip me off or simply didn't want the job.

 

Bear in mind that my car is no more than a shell with a steering column, four wheels and a rear window, so he's not got to strip it, just prep and paint, for an extra kick in the nuts he said that wouldn't include the engine bay as its "too fiddly"! He said he'd leave that to me with some rattle cans! Mmmm £5k paintjob and a rattle can engine bay, all I ever wanted!

 

I'm not going to name company and to be honest i'm in no doubt he'd do a good job, but if anyone knows of any local places (to Portsmouth) who are somewhere between a £500 blow over and a £5000 eye waterer then could they PM me please?

[hexhamstu 9]

hahaha £5k with rattle can engine bay sounds spot on.

[dcc 855]

you get what you pay for. if it is worth the 5k, I bet it would look perfect!

 

but for a bare shell with no prep work needed - about 9 hours spray time - paint and materials, I would say £1500-2000 should be what you're expecting to pay.

[nveeate 78]

It might be the light, but those photos actually look more like a reaction with the basecoat or damage from seagull crap than lacquer peel, which usually started off as small bubbles/round spots. Has it definitely not been painted before?

 

What you could try doing is taking the wax off, and then with a very fine artist's brush touch in the cracks/lines. Use paint from aerosol sprayed into a cap, rather than a touch-up stick, as it will be thinner/easier to get a neat line. It wont be perfect, and it wont last forever, but it'll take the eye away from it.

[ScoobyJawa 23]

Yes mate its reaction to bird poop - stupid things And not been painted before no.

 

Good call around the artists brush I have some of them, as you say won't fix it but will take the eye away from it and keep it in original paint....

 

I think that's the plan!

[gruffa 7]

Well i'm stripping mine down and hopefully gonna give it a full respray so it looks like new

[Pugleyrich 37 1 Cars]

I use a place called Motorsport services in Swanmore (near Wickham). They are very well priced. I had a rear bumper and one side of my MG resprayed a few years ago for less than £300. I took the 205 there a few weeks ago and got quoted £500 to cut out rust, weld new metal and respray my boot floor, inner wings, both sills and hole above fuel tank. I'm sure they could do a good quote to fully respray yours or sort the damaged areas.

[gruffa 7]

My neighbours son has a spray shop apparently so i'm gonna sweet talk her to see if he came come and have a look/give me some pointers and a quote once it's stripped down a bit more.