205 Turbo Conversion Wishbones

[Nathanlee 1]

Hi folks,

 

I'm new here. I bought a 205 gti 1.9 turbo technics conversion last week, so thought I'd better join this place

 

The car was built for hillclimbs in 2005. It's running 208bhp, bilsteins all round, cage, etc (780kg), and it's quite honestly the most mental car I've sat in. Wish I'd gone French sooner. I bought it for the track, but since it's road legal... well, why not for a few miles.

 

So last Sunday I went for a quick half hour tour before heading off back to work, and about a mile in managed to throw the nearside front wheel out of the arch. It was a little suprising. The rose joint bolt had pulled out the thread in the wishbone. Bit of a pain in the arse to get it back home to be honest. haha.

 

So I need to fix it. They're not standard wishbones, they're like a 12mm (guess) steel plate cut in a triangle, slight up angle near the hub. They're rose jointed on all points. I can't find anything that looks like it online, so wondered if anybody here recognised the description, or failing that, are these thing below that I found any good?

 

Alternatively, what are the standard ones like, maybe with poly bushes? I've sort of fallen in love with the thing so was pondering on softening it up just a little bit for road use as it's just far too hard at the moment.

 

Oh, it has 309 drive shafts.

 

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Thanks for any help,

 

Nathan

 

[welshpug 1,655]

Compbrake.

 

Or comp-break

 

Standard 309 wishbones with genuine bushes work very well.

[Jme 7 1 Cars]

ive got ones from www.compbrake.co.uk sounds the same kinda shape as mince mabey its them??

welshpug beat me to it lol

[Nathanlee 1]

I'll avoid those then, and try some standard wishbones

 

Thanks

[Henry 1.9GTi 36]

im not clued up on rose jointed bottom arms but I assume your hub will still accept a standard ball joint and the clamp hasnt been modified for the rose jointed items?

 

I also use 309 genuine arms for track work and they seem to do the job. Iv'e had one inner bush fail and replaced with an OCAP part from ecp ~£90 a side. The OCAP part was identical to the pug item that came off and ive seen alot of OCAP stuff in OEM so was happy to use.

 

Car sounds ace wish mine was road legal just for grin factor!

[Nathanlee 1]

im not clued up on rose jointed bottom arms but I assume your hub will still accept a standard ball joint and the clamp hasnt been modified for the rose jointed items?

 

I also use 309 genuine arms for track work and they seem to do the job. Iv'e had one inner bush fail and replaced with an OCAP part from ecp ~£90 a side. The OCAP part was identical to the pug item that came off and ive seen alot of OCAP stuff in OEM so was happy to use.

 

Car sounds ace wish mine was road legal just for grin factor!

I've just had a quick look, and they *look* like the standard hubs, so here's hoping that's right. My jack won't fit under the car, and I can't roll it at the moment, so christ knows how I'll get the thing in the air, but where there's a will, there's a way.

 

I'm hoping the standard ones won't be prone to such a catastrophic failure. I don't mind bushes giving up, but if it had failed like it did in another place, or with oncoming traffic, I'd have been in a bit of bother.

 

Yeah, it has substantial grin factor. There's a grp bonnet and boot, and perspex windows all around, so it's not one to leave in the tesco carpark, but oh so much fun for a road going go-kart. It's actually way more scary than my motorbike, which is about 556bhp/ton, but I can't ride quick to save my life, whereas I'm not too shabby at driving. The torque steer is... interesting.

[Tom Fenton 1,540]

You will find that the car with the torque the engine produces is very sensitive to suspension geometry and setup, and any components that are not 100% will cause strange issues which would not show themselves on a lower powered 205.

My 205 1600 turbo made 204bhp/211ftlb and set up right will drive in 100% a straight line with no issues. A LSD will help a lot if it doesn't currently have one fitted.

Wishbones wise, the compbrake ones don't have the best reputation. Also poly bushes on 205's are hit and miss at best, whereas the standard OE Peugeot bushes are very good indeed, and you will find a lot of folk including me will swear by these.

[Nathanlee 1]

You will find that the car with the torque the engine produces is very sensitive to suspension geometry and setup, and any components that are not 100% will cause strange issues which would not show themselves on a lower powered 205.

My 205 1600 turbo made 204bhp/211ftlb and set up right will drive in 100% a straight line with no issues. A LSD will help a lot if it doesn't currently have one fitted.

Wishbones wise, the compbrake ones don't have the best reputation. Also poly bushes on 205's are hit and miss at best, whereas the standard OE Peugeot bushes are very good indeed, and you will find a lot of folk including me will swear by these.

 

Very useful info. Thanks. The last dyno reading I've got has it at 246.8 ftlb and 208.8bhp. Wheel a tracking garage be able to sort it, or will I need a specialist pug place?

 

Not to thread drift too much, but I noticed the force racing link in your sig. Mmmmmm Mini porn. My first proper car was a fettled 1275. There's some very nice bits on there! If I hadn't bought the pug...

[Tom Fenton 1,540]

I wouldn't necessarily trust KwikFit to get it right, but anywhere reasonably competant with tracking equipment should be able to get it right. I find with mine that it needs to be bang on parallel, any toe out will make it pull all over the road on full boost. If you go back to standard wishbones it removes another adjustment which makes things more simple.

[Nathanlee 1]

Update for the benefit of anybody stumbling upon this thread from that internet...

 

I bought a low profile trolley jack and got the wheels off. The wishbones on it are indeed the compbrake ones. Given the nature of their failure, and the design of them, I'd recommend they not be considered for a road going car. Given enough miles that thread failing looks, to my amateur eye, inevitable.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The amount of Ocap ball joints I have had fail is silly even on very limited mileage and no abuse either as solely on the road to work and back which is all of 3 miles each way.

[Nathanlee 1]

The amount of Ocap ball joints I have had fail is silly even on very limited mileage and no abuse either as solely on the road to work and back which is all of 3 miles each way.

 

When you say fail, how so? Hub detatched from wishbone sort of fail, or just worn out and knocking? I'm never going to enjoy the car if I'm expecting to be ejecting in to the nearest roadside obsticle at any moment

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Just wearing out