Whats The Best Shoe String Budget Xu Engine?

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

Bit of a hypothetical question for you lot.

Imagine you have a car with an empty engine bay, except a gearbox that fits an XU engine, and £100(or less) to buy the engine.

 

what would be your choice?

 

preferably decent power/torque and reliable.

 

engine must be standard(ish), and not need hundreds spending on it to get it to work. The key here is to be as cheap as possible, with the most bang for buck

 

There's a reason I'm asking, but I don't want to let on just yet, just a few opinions

 

Cheers

 

[minimaniacwhyard 17]

I'd go xud9 can pick up whole lot for £100 and its awesome fun economical and tunable for almost free.

[allye 530 3 Cars]

Has to be xu engine? Surely a J4RS? Although converting a car will cost a fair bit more.

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

Has to be XU (for reasons that may become apparent later.

 

Forgot to mention, can you include what car the engine is from (my xu engine code knowledge is limited!)

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

I'd go with a 1.6 or 1.9 as they're cheap as chips and you won't have to worry about conversion parts.

[dcc 855]

1.9, 1.6 pistons, little cam and boom...

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

See I did initially think a 1.6 or 1.9, but a quick scour about and they seem to be a little bit thin on the ground these days. Either that or people have realised that its a waste of time selling an engine on ebay etc. whats the going rate for a complete working engine from a 1.6/1.9 these days?

[welshpug 1,657]

thin on the ground? I have several in many pieces here.

 

As Dan said, a particularly simple recipe of 1.6 pistons in a 1.9 and a lumpy stick can give damn good results, granted you do need throttle bodies to get the best out of it, but when you try one you'd wonder why people bother with a gti6.

[mrfirepro 127 1 Cars]

The last engine I picked up was £80 (XU9JA) complete from eBay

 

This was about 3-4 weeks ago.

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

I appear to have failed to do my research a bit here! I've never had an Xu car, just lots of TUs other wise I'd probably have something lying around.

 

Regarding the lumpy stick and pistons, that does sound good, but at this stage it needs to be literally straight plug and play

[DamirGTI 342]

As Dan said, a particularly simple recipe of 1.6 pistons in a 1.9 and a lumpy stick can give damn good results, granted you do need throttle bodies to get the best out of it, but when you try one you'd wonder why people bother with a gti6.

 

Agreed .. 1.9 with 1.6 pistons , three angle seats along with some head work , aftermarket cam , 1.6 flywheel , 1.6 or some custom box ... with properly adjusted fueling/ignition this one really goes like a stink ! s*** load of torque trough all the rev range till the limiter , excellent acceleration too , with such mods it kinda feels a little bit like turbocharged/supercharged engine by the nature .. it just pulls like a mad man .

 

Light , cheap to build and maintain ..

I have similar spec. engine , and even with the OE inlet (a bit reworked but still OE) it's really nippy engine , haven't tried gti6 conversion but did two mi16'a which seemed to me pretty disappointing , a bit "gutless" on the lower/mid revs when compared to such modified 1.9 8v ... also did an hill climb road race chasing mi16 which simply couldn't get away and was just slowing me down up front not willing to let me pass him by !

 

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[Paul_13 212 1 Cars]

Xud9te out of a 306

1.9 diesel turbo basically.

The right mods on a T2 turbo will see you 130-150 bhp

Change the turbo and the world's your oyster

I'll soon be putting on a TD04 turbo off of a subaru and I'll be looking at 180-200bhp with the right supporting mods

Oh you'll want a Bosch pump!

 

Another bonus is cheap fuel (veg oil).

I get it for 73p a litre at the mo

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

I like the sound of the diesel, as that would match the current tank on the vehicle, and the ratios of the gearbox in question. And veg oil definitely fits in with the low budget requirement!

[minimaniacwhyard 17]

I mentioned the xud9 earlier they are awesome!!

[omega 82]

ive got one here

150 complete with box

still in the car

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

Yep 1900 with a 1900 box and mi final drive

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

You've got one of which Omega? I wouldn't need the gearbox, just the complete engine (ancillaries, loom, manifold, hoses etc)

 

It seems then that the contenders are 1900 gti, or xud9te so far.

 

Are they both fairly simple in the wiring department? not too concerned about getting the warnings light etc working yet, just to get it fired up, are they as simple as positive, ground and ignition and away you go?

 

I forgot to mention that simplicity is key here. shame I cant use a carbed TU for the simplicity factor, but it wont work with the gearbox

[omega 82]

sorry

its a 306dt

[welshpug 1,657]

straight 1.9 8 valver is the best bet then, get the loom with it and as long as its a gti shell it'll be a case of plugging or joining the wires up.

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

Its probably best to go on the assumption that theres no wiring in the vehicle , so all wiring would be from scratch

 

how much would you want for just the complete engine without the box omega?

[Alastairh 47]

Buy a donor complete gti6 / xsara, strip it. Sell everying except the engine, free engine and spend your 100 quid on consumables.

 

Clearly won't be the best conversion out there on 100 quid, but if you put the effort in and was clever it would be quick and reliable, and better than most conversions.

[omega 82]

Its probably best to go on the assumption that theres no wiring in the vehicle , so all wiring would be from scratch

 

how much would you want for just the complete engine without the box omega?

 

£1oo

if you take it out yourself [will give a hand ]got a hoist as well

 

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

I was going to say a 1.8 16v engine as they are cheap as chips, but then you said you have a diesel box which would be pretty poor on a petrol car with those ratios. By keeping the box, you are limiting yourself to a diesel really

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

I was going to say a 1.8 16v engine as they are cheap as chips, but then you said you have a diesel box which would be pretty poor on a petrol car with those ratios. By keeping the box, you are limiting yourself to a diesel really

Probably still quicker than yours mind pops

[johnnyboy666 195 1 Cars]

buying a vts/gti6 would be ideal, but unfortunately with 3 cars and an 8 foot trailer already on the single car drive (and the garage is too full of dismembered motorbikes to get a car in) that rules that out (that and the initial outlay)

 

I may well get in touch omega if i don't come across anything else, seeing as you're not far from me

 

 

 

I'm going to have to come clean a bit here to end a bit of the confusion regarding the box etc

 

The reason for the gearbox choice, is its a RWD gearbox!

 

Reason for the lack of wiring is that this isnt going in a 205 (or even a peugeot for that matter)

 

its going on another little project which currently boasts about 32bhp, hence not being too bothered about massive power just yet. The idea is to get an engine in that runs, get through the innevitable teething problems and then upgrade at a later date if needed

 

I might even put a build thread up on here when I'm a little further along, but its very early days yet