Quintet Insert Fabric

[Rjuhar 52]

I just saw that the french substitute quartet finaly came. However bad it may be someone might be interested...

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

I haven't said it's bad - but I don't think it's fit for purpose. I've put pictures up on this thread and if you obtain (eventually) a sample for yourself then it's up to you to decide. I won't buy it for incorporation in my seats because it's too expensive i.e. between €65 an €75 (+shipping of €15) per metre, and it needs a foam and scrim backing applying. I don't understand why the manufacturer hasn't laminated it. They are supposed to be auto textile manufacturers.

I also have discovered that it's only 1.3 metres wide ( non-standard roll width) so you DO need 2 metres for a pair of 205 front seats.

If you want to use it in your seat recovering project - your choice, but certainly not mine. I will continue to second source my own polyester based Quintet, but it it's by no means guaranteed to happen. Mean while Rallye seats, and custom material seats, and bolster cover replacements, seat foams etc. , will hopefully keep me busy for some time to come.

regards

Dave

Edited April 2, 2014 by dch1950

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

Hi all,

Somebody on the French forum has posted pictures of his 1.6 seats that he has just had done in needle cord and the Muguet Quartet for the inserts. Looks a bit weird colour wise, but that could be the exposure. Looks a bit like my Nan's settee.

Still no sign that it's fully approved yet.

regards

Dave

 

 

 

[jackherer 543]

That definitely looks wrong, too much red or not enough black I think.

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

It almost certainly is the camera - probably one of those phone ones. My avatar picture is the closest to the sample - 'cos it is the sample.

I wouldn't make any qualitative judgements based on that picture. My general point was that material is being delivered now to club members in France so we can expect a rash of these to surface - I'm more interested in how it sews, and how it stands up to actually being sat on - because I think it will distort and crease with out a laminated foam back. We'll see once the initial excitement is over and it gets used.

regards

Dave

This picture does show it as delivered and it does look very red.

 

 

 

 

[jackherer 543]

I don't think it is the camera, I've seen thousands of photos of 205 seats on here over the years and that is the first I have seen that looks like that!

 

This reminds me of the gearknobs that the French forum had made

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

hilarious.

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

It does remind me of a material that Cybernck posted a picture of a few years back. But apart from my own replica fabric "Quintet" - I can't remember seeing any other reproduction Quartet fabrics at all. So where are these thousands of pictures you are referring to.

regards

Dave

PS it is the camera that's at fault here as my other shots show.

[jackherer 543]

You've misread or misunderstood my post, I said "I've seen thousands of photos of 205 seats" i.e. original seats, not reproduction seats.

 

To be clear I don't think the French reproduction looks like the original Peugeot fabric.

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

Well Good for you. Remember next time then "I must try to be less obtuse"

[cybernck 402 1 Cars]

As it happens, I've recently come across another one that has remotely reminded me of 205 GTI seats .

 

Mazda this time round.

 

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

come on then tell us what it is then. You little tease you.

[2052NV 24]

RX8?

[jackherer 543]

Mazda3

 

edit: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123665546-FS-Mazda-3-OEM-Seats

Edited April 23, 2014 by jackherer

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

An interesting looking material. Trouble is with any of these though is , where can you buy it in reasonable amounts? Indeed can you buy it.

I'm still trying to get Muguet to consider selling me some fabric, or even letting me be UK rep for it, as their man Stephan REMY (of Atelier 148) doesn't want to know. I'm not optimistic that they will even reply though.

Still - plod on.

regards

Dave

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

Quick update:

 

Hi all,

I have found a loose co-operative of auto textile manufacturers in China who seem to be passing my requests for information etc. around between themselves, dependant on my requirements. This is a different approach from the last time I was in touch, nearly 3 years ago.

This encourages me somewhat. Plan "C" it is then.

No news from France at all. I get the feeling they might know me

Will keep you posted.

regards

Dave

[lightflow 59 1 Cars]

Sounds encouraging Dave, have you brought up the subject of an asymmetric weave pattern with them, or are you not going there yet?

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

Well, well , you could have knocked me down with a brick. What particular asymmetric axis were you thinking of ? Ramier do you mean. If you do - interestingly that is a pure wool weave. The guys I'm talking to at the moment are polyester yarn based. So it's not part of that particular plan - No.

Dave

[lightflow 59 1 Cars]

I'm perhaps thinking in more laymans terms - (In that I am a layman when it comes to fabric weaving ) - mainly that the Quartet fabric red "dots" (for want of a better word) have a different spacing side to side from front to back. It is not a pure rectilinear grid of even spacing....

 

Subtle but important when you are trying to match it to existing fabric (e.g. back seats or door cards)

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

wish you luck with that then.

[lightflow 59 1 Cars]

I know you've been all around the world and to super human lengths battling to try and get fabric sorted (not least battling the enigma of the french forums etc) and I can read your irony and frustration...

 

However, it is a genuine and well-intended question. I'm interested

 

Am I going mad or do you agree that the Quartet fabric has this asymmetric pattern to it? Is that just a step too far today to recreate (even if someone in China happened to come up trumps).

Edited May 6, 2014 by lightflow

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

I don't wish to be rude to you, and it's always interesting when the actual nature of the Quartet material comes up. It is a composite weave and uses a peculiar plastic backed felt strip (red and black) which is woven as a weft component. The warp threads being normal polyester. The weave pattern is a basic basket weave which is complicated by the use of these plastic strips. Colour blocks of any size are made by covering sections of the warp thread with weft and vice versa. This is the basic mechanism intrinsic to weaving of all kinds throughout the world. The dots as you put them are actually continuous strips of colour which have been alternatively covered by several black yarns (warp ones) in a group. Any difference in warp and weft pattern block sizes is a little arbitrary but it does exist. The pattern would be square otherwise, and it's not it's rectangular ( longest axis in the warp). But I'm only a layman and am not certain of all the ins, and outs - so to speak. But I can safely say I can hold my own with the Chinese when it comes discussing that particular material. Yarn sizes, yarn end counts, floats per inch etc.

So when I hear someone say "dots for the want of a better word " - I do froth a bit.

regards

Dave

I'm not going to tell you it all, or you'll be doing it yourself next.

 

 

Edited May 6, 2014 by dch1950

[Edp 67 3 Cars]

Any news on the leather Dave? great job by the way

[lightflow 59 1 Cars]

Yes of course Dave. That sums it up nicely and is what I understood but couldn't put into words.

 

The sample you sent me did not have the longer axis in the warp that you describe (it was rectilinear) - that was why I was so keen to bring up the subject if you are about to consider potential specification from a new manufacturing source...

 

I'll watch and wait.... very best of luck, let's hope something comes up.

[dch1950 37 1 Cars]

Hi all,

now back to proper stuff. I've been trying to get Chinese manufacturers to view my HD pictures of my Quintet material, these are huge files 50 - 100 Mbs but you can zoom down to individual thread counting level - they're great. Most of them don't seem to get the concept of Dropbox.

Any way I've sent some small (ish) files out to a textile production area called Wujian province. This is where they all seem to know each other - which is no real surprise I suppose, it's just that most British competitor firms I know would cross the road rather than talk to each other.

I have been in occasional conversation with one firm ( one guy I think) who is an auto textile specialist and things are starting to move forward.

Once you get over the "I don't want 50,000 metres a week hurdle, and you haven't been just ignored, the dialogue begins. He has agreed that I can buy small batch amounts - "but you must pay extra". Great stuff - provided it's not ridiculous. So we are looking at around 300 metre batches. A good starting point anyway. Now I introduce the 2 colour requirement (red and green) and we wait for the reaction. I love this bit, it's a bit like dancing - oops sounds a bit gay - let's say fencing then.

Clearly I have too much time on my hands so I shall return to my trusty Wimsew and do a bit more work. I'll let you know how things proceed.

regards

Dave