Anyone Recognise This Engine?

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this engine.

 

I bought it on ebay a few months ago from somewhere near Stoke on Trent.

 

The guy i bought it from had received the engine as payment for some work he had done, but never new much else about it.

 

It came with a butchered loom, ECU and exhaust parts. It was supposed to have been previously in a 205, but the exhaust manifold has never been altered.

 

The engine looks a bit different now for the better, but rather than wrecking my 205 and/or throwing good money after bad, i thought i'd ask on here in case someone recognised it by the dodgy blue painted coil pack cover and could tell me a bit more about it.

 

Excuse the pics my last iphone drowned in a "sports cycle", and this is all the pics i have at hand.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Looks like a gti6 XU10J4RS or s16 XU10J4 lump whats the engine code on it?

Edited January 6, 2014 by Slo

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Hi slo, it's definitely a j4RS.

[rallyeash 155]

I think he wants to know the history of the engine rather than what it is as I Persume he knows what a RS engine looks like.

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

I think he's after info on the history of the engine.

 

 

Beaten to it.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Daviewonder

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Do a leak down test on it, at least then you will know if the top ends OK, You'll find that quite normal thou with installs of bad wiring, Tilted engine's etc

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Miles, you've got me worried! But thank you for pointing out it was likely tilted...... I had assumed only the bulkhead would have been modified.

 

If you were handier to me I'd get you to sort what is becoming a bit of a nightmare for me.

 

There is an engine builder near me, think I best get him to do some testing and inspection as its beyond me.

 

I just read about the leak down test, am I correct in saying that unlike a compression test, it doesn't require a gearbox fitted (which suits me) but will highlight and also pin point any valve/sealing/compression issues?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Yes it's allot better than a compression test and you have got it, Unlike a compression test it show you the leakage of the cylinder and where it is leaking from, you will always get a little blow by somewhere but as long as it's better than 85% it's stands a good chance

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Miles, I phoned the local engine man.

 

I explained the situation and asked if he could perform the test you suggested. He says he doesn't do it.

 

He suggested that he takes the head off and inspects it all, regrinds the valves, checks the flatness of the head, machines if necessary, gets a pressure test? done on head by ANother highlights any defects to me for a decision, puts it all back together, (fitting my new timing belt kit, water pump, and clutch.)

 

How does that sound?

 

In general conversation he said he didn't know the J4RS engine type, but has built several mi16's in the 90's, one of which made 193bhp at the wheels on his porting with a set of 45's.

 

He also suggested that he could get another 8-15bhp on inlet manifold/head matching on most engines.

[dcc 855]

that sounds dire.

 

sounds like he is after some business.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Allot of work if not needed over a simple test which will tell you, Also it sounds odd I know but very few people can get the RS head right, Allot try and fail so you could be digging a big hole, Ring around some other places,

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Thanks Miles, I think I will try find someone else..... More feckin about.

 

After reading about the test I found it a bit odd as an engine man he didn't even have the gear.

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Dcc, yep I got that impression.

[harryskid 193]

Well worth doing i had that done on mine when i had a problem!

[theo-mi16-gr 4]

I would say you not going to this engine man again! he is after business..or trying to make new one!

 

Try to find someone doing this test.Using this you can almost check everything at your engine.Think even of buying the gear by your self.I would at least:)

[harryskid 193]

Well worth doing i had that done on mine when i had a problem!

By this i mean the leak down test not the stuff the other guy was trying to sell you!

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

I would say you not going to this engine man again! he is after business..or trying to make new one!

 

Try to find someone doing this test.Using this you can almost check everything at your engine.Think even of buying the gear by your self.I would at least:)

 

Thanks... I won't be.

 

I looked at the price of the test gear and was quite surprised the cost for what it was....even though I already have a compressor. The next thing I'm not sure/capable of getting each piston to TDC. Then also not sure if I would be able to interpret what I'm seeing.

 

Today i went to see an old guy I know who has built and raced lots of 205 rally cars years ago, he even used to ring then import brand new GTI's! .... Anyway, he said, "throw it in, if there's any problems I'll sort it out for you, we used to change a throttle bodied 205 engine in 25mins!"

 

I've got one other guy to see who might be able to test, hopefully try him at weekend.

 

Cheers

[theo-mi16-gr 4]

A cheap test gear in greece costs about 80euro.As for the interpretation,it is real easy and you dont have to be technically skilled.Many guides on net.As for TDC,a screwdriver is enough for such test.

 

Anyway even with the help of a guy,better insist on testing it before throwing in.Yes everything it can be fixed but it isn't the same work/cost.

 

Cheers

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Hallelujah.... found a guy who does leak tests regularly... He just has to check his kit as he only usually does fords and jags. (He races fords and breaks old jags). I assume he needs to check he has correct thread size hose for the 6 spark plug hole.

 

Hopefully drop engine off at weekend if not tomorrow.

 

Miles, (if you dont mind) are there any special requirements/guidance that might be useful to him specific to the 6? I.e test pressure or duration of test etc?

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

Same applies to any engine, You stick the pressure in measured on one gauge, the leakage gauge should read around the same give/take 10%, any more and there's a problem, you will hear air coming from the inlet, Exhaust or crankcase

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Thanks Miles.

[harryskid 193]

Like in this test

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

Nice find Harry.

 

Looks straight forward enough if you have the gear to do it.

[dobboy 231 2 Cars]

To add to the saga......

 

The guy who was going to do it isn't.

 

His mechanic says he's not set up for peugeot and it would be too hard to test the engine on the bench rather than in a car. He would take the head off it and replace the rings no matter what the mileage..... £250 + materials.

 

He has given me the number of someone else who should be set up for Peugeot.

 

Pi55ed off.

[theo-mi16-gr 4]

Too hard to put air in the spark hole at the bench instead in the car? well i am trying to figure out this:D

 

And all these kits have different adapters to cover many brands! A last idea..read these articles:)

 

http://www.motorcycleproject.com/motorcycle/text/leakdown.html

http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/Leakdown_tester.htm

Edited January 10, 2014 by theo-mi16-gr