Starter Motor. ..

[roccorich 16]

Hi

 

Ive just acquired a 1989 Cti with a 1.9 conversion.

 

It started perfectly several times when I viewed it and and also at the petrol station 2 miles after buying it, drove it 50 miles to my parents and then it won't crank the next morning not even a click. There is a whirring noise coming from the engine bay I think, maybe fuel pump...

 

It bumps ok. Tried jump leads and a wire across to the solenoid but nothing, also tried this with a jump lead across from the block to the negative to rule out the earth.

 

Didn't have a multimeter with me at my dads but I'm home now and will look at it tomorrow.

 

Am I right that there is just the main lead from the battery to the starter and the small spade connector next to it for the solenoid?

 

I was going to check resistance from the block to the negative, starter feed to positive and check for 12v at the solenoid wire while cranking.

 

Anything else I should do before just ripping the starter out and fitting a slim one.

 

Cheers

 

Rich

[mikeyd 13]

may be worth checking the battery is ok--- try the lights on and see if they light up immediately or if they are dim/slow to light

[roccorich 16]

Ive got a decent big diesel battery in my scirocco so I was going to put that in to rule out battery.

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Start with the battery cable that goes to the starter motor. A temporary test if your feeling brave make sure car is in neutral and get a jump lead connected from positive on the battery to a long screw driver and touch the starter terminal and solenoid terminal at the same time you'll know for sure then. If it spins it can only be the cable that needs replacing.

[roccorich 16]

Can it be removed without removing the starter though?

 

 

I did also reach in with a long screwdriver and touch the two together and it did spark but no spinning. Not on the end of a jump lead though. That does sound like I would need to be brave, could see myself arcing onto something. ...

Edited September 8, 2013 by roccorich

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Its no different to touching the starter terminal and arcing it on the inlet manifold and i only suggested the jump lead to rule out the battery wiring. If its sparking like mad when you arc the terminals together its a good sign its past it oh and yes quite easy to remove the battery wiring from the starter and alternator without removing anything else make sure you disconnect the battery first though!

[roccorich 16]

Hmmm. Sounds like the starters gone then.

 

What starter am I looking for on ebay if I want a slimline once that will do the job?

 

I think I'm going to remove the brown plug and solder all the wires as my guages are playing up too and probably isn't helping the starter issue.

 

Getting a nice list going already.

 

 

Good service

Starter motor

Brown plug

Cv boot clips

Car pulling right under braking

Dodgy light wiring

Set up fueling and timing properly

 

This was supposed to be my reliable daily.

 

 

 

Getting grief from the wife already. ...

Edited September 8, 2013 by roccorich

[Slo 283 1 Cars]

Yes slimline will fit and probably work better i have one on mine

[DamirGTI 342]

If it's all fine with the wiring , more likely it's the starter motor solenoid .. at least from my experience the solenoid itself always go bad first .

 

Pretty much all starters from XU engined PSA cars will fit on a 205 "plug and play" .. even from the later EW engines they'll fit as well ! (i have an "Mitsubishi" starter from a 206 GTi on my 205 8v XU , it's lighter more powerful and much more reliable than old "Paris Rohne" and "Ducellier" starters which are mostly found factory fitted on a 205)

 

D

[roccorich 16]

Cheers

 

So something on ebay listed as 206 gti 2.0 16v would be fine? They're certainly cheaper and more abundand.

 

Im new to peugeots so engine codes don't mean anything to me as of yet.

 

Cheers

 

Rich

[DamirGTI 342]

Yup .. 206 GTi 2.0 16v fits (just need to reposition locating dowel/centering pin from top on the middle bolt hole and it fits like a glove ..)

 

D

[roccorich 16]

Cheers

 

 

Thats saved me a tenner. The fun bits going to be trying to wrestle the old one out under the manifold.

[roccorich 16]

Just remembered something else that may be relevant.

 

When I turn the key to start all the guages die and all the dash lights even with the solenoid wire disconnected. ...

[jackherer 543]

That's normal, several circuits are cut during cranking so the starter has all the battery current available.

[roccorich 16]

Cool, thats what I was hoping

 

done some checks at lunch.

 

12v at the solenoid

Less than an ohm from block to negative

Full battery voltage at starter feed.

 

So Ive ordered a 206 gti starter motor

 

So Im guessing its

 

Battery disconnected

Reach in from left hand side with long extension and undo 3 bolts that mount the starter?

Remove support bracket.

Wriggle starter out and disconnect feed.

 

Does that sound right?

 

Anyone know what size the bolts are and If it is 3 of them?

 

also where os the bracket and how do you get to it?

Edited September 9, 2013 by roccorich

[roccorich 16]

Got the 206 gti starter in and it all works fine now.

 

squeezing the old one out was certainly no easy task.

 

i had to wriggle it across under the throttle body and up from there, after lots of swearing trying to remove the bracket.

Luckily someone had previously replaced the bottom bolt with a hex head so i didnt have to remove the clutch lever. Just enough room with someone holding the clutch down to pull the bolt back enough.

 

Cheers for the help guys

 

Rich

[Jolly Green Monster 51 1 Cars]

They are a fiddle to get in and out for sure

[lagonda 42]

"....reliable daily"....hmmm, I remember thinking that when I bought my CTi in 2003!

 

After endless problems, then off the road for 18 months whilst I rebuilt the engine & replaced absolutely anything looking iffy/worn, I finally had a reliable car in 2007. Toured Europe in it 2008, 2009, 2010 so the effort did pay off!

[amusingadam 6 1 Cars]

I use my 87 1.9 as a daily and also my bicycle the bicycle is not by choice well worth it every time its running perfect though.