Xs/ Vts Gearbox Options

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

I've just got hold of a saxo vts for £400 and going to take the engine out and put it in my xs

What gearbox would be the best as I'm after something that is similar to the xs gear box but think that the actual xs may be a bit weak for the new engine

Also can I unlock the ecu by disconnection it while its running like the gti6 engines

[calvinhorse 870]

I know there is a lot of talk of using 1.3 Rallye box' at the minute but in my own experience and it was common knowledge a few years back, a standard 16v will kill 2nd gear within weeks.

 

What are the 1.4 furio (saxo) boxes like? I always liked mine as I remember?

[ORB 227 1 Cars]

My old VTS went through 5 new boxes in 4 years!

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

so use the standard box you recon?

[calvinhorse 870]

No.

 

I'd check out furio and xsi boxes.

 

 

[c_robinson 8 1 Cars]

The weakness lies with the box but is exploited by the driver. The boxes can be made to live a normal life. I've done 5 rallies and endless miles in a s1 rallye stage car and never had a gearbox problem.

 

All MA boxes (106/saxo) suffer the same problem but it's as much driver induced than anything.

 

BE4R from various citroens is the way to go, but not a cheap alternative

[Tandoh 17]

A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different. I run a 106 1.1 box and its not too bad. S1 Rallye boxes are like hens, so you do pay the premium for it...iirc somewhere around £150.

 

Disconnecting the ecu whilst the engine is running will successfully unlock it

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different. I run a 106 1.1 box and its not too bad. S1 Rallye boxes are like hens, so you do pay the premium for it...iirc somewhere around £150.

 

Disconnecting the ecu whilst the engine is running will successfully unlock it

do you run that 1.1 box on a road car am i right in thinking the 1.1 and 1.4 box are the same

 

what car would you find a be4r in

 

are the vtr and vts boxs the same?

 

(i know lots of questions but i never really played around with gearbox and not sure what boxs are in what cars lol)

[calvinhorse 870]

A 205 xs box won't fit as the bell housing is different

I've found this also but it's not all of them, just very early Tu xs boxes. My G-regs both had the standard bell housing but my F--reg was a different bell housing.

[Lowercase 56]

check out AT speed racings 106 turbo. i remember reading that they went through loads of boxes and in the end settled on a citroen berlingo box or something like that as its stronger.

[Tandoh 17]

I used to use mine on the road with the 1.1 106 box. It was ok, as 2nd 3rd and 4th were all short, only slightly longer then a s2 Rallye box, and 5 was longer than the s2 Rallye box.

Vts/gti and vtr boxes are different. Vtr box is the longest box avalible, and the gti/vts box is a bit shorter I believe.

There is a gearbox guide on 106 moaners club that identifies the ratios.

 

Hope that helps!

[calvinhorse 870]

Which boxes had the weak diffs?

[welshpug 1,661]

Any non sport box.

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

could i use a standard vts clutch with a 106 1.1 gearbox

and i asume i can use 205 drive shafts

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

been looking and i read that the s1 rally boxs are the same as a vts box apart from the final drive i have found a s1 box that has no sencond gear could i put the final drive from the s1 in the vts box

[welshpug 1,661]

if its a sport box then it will be the same gear ratio's just varying FD's, as all sport ratios are the same, though a VTR is an exception to the rule, being non sport ratios.

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

good thats what i wanted to know

going to have a go at rebuilding a gearbox then

any advice?

[c_robinson 8 1 Cars]

there's a comprehensive guide on 106 rallye although you may need to be a paid member

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

thanks il have a look

[jamie_1992 66 1 Cars]

will my 205 xs gearbox be upto the job or is it too weak for the engine?