205 Gti Evo

[hcmini1989 16]

There might be no substitute for torque but the evo engine would be to aggressive on track .

[B11 BOB 11]

I bet an evo lump in a 205 would cost about the same if not more your overlooking alot of things here bob things like custom rads ,a clutch,custom exhaust system.,,driveshafts. Oh and what gearbox to use there isnt alot of front wheel drive cars that will cope with that sort of power so the price of a gearbox in there aswell.The rewiring probably would`nt be that easy probably some sort of multiplex or CAN system.So you would be best going aftermarket wiring/ecu +mapping .And again it would be crap against the gti6 lump above round a track it would be to uncontrollable

Very valid points regards the gearbox rad etc I agree with you on that.However we only talking 270 bhp so I think it would be controllable depending on how you would dip the throttle and your gear ratios.

But it would be very intresting to witness something like it.

[Baz 421]

how did I know this thread was going to be full of utter dross...?

[allye 530 3 Cars]

My 205 gti6 isn't anywhere near as fast as my old Evo 8 that was running 383bhp so you must have a very fast 205!

My old Evo was also quicker than a 400bhp 306 too.

 

Yes, yes he does.

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

I've just been on the lancer register and someone's asking how difficult it would be to fit an xu5 in an evo 7, bizarre

Edited January 15, 2013 by allanallen

[rallyeash 155]

Impreza 4wd, 360hp, 1200kg. 300 hp per tonne.

 

205, 2wd, 230hp, 740kg, 315hp per tonne

 

Yes when upwards of 80 the scoob does come into its own abit more...

[d7ve_b 44 1 Cars]

Yawn.

[Juttie205 123 2 Cars]

The difference you will have is you say torque matters that may well be the point but evo's are 4wd and my old evo 8 running 450bhp was still a handfull on the track I cannot even think what it would be like in a 205, on trackdays many smaller n/a cars would match or even beat a evo underbraking and through a corner due to having a nice power band and not dropping off boost.

Dont get me wrong my evo was very quick but off boost useless so that engine in a front wheel drive waste of time as much as tuning a peugeot engine to silly power if you want a good allround car make it light sort handerling and get a pucker engine running I would say nomore than 230bhp N/A and I belive on some tracks the only things evos and such cars would see are your rearlights.

Fitting a evo engine may be a cheaper conversion but I belive the power delivery would be harsh for fwd so would take away the enjoyment of the car.

[welshpug 1,657]

Castle Combe tintops is a perfect illustration of why most blabbering on this thread are wrong, 225 ish bhp 106's beating big power turbo Leon's, Tomcat's, there are no evo's left as they've gone elsewhere as they weren't competitive within the regs.

 

there's also several fwd cars with high 200's and 300's proving that "230 bhp is the limit in fwd" a trick chassis like Colin Satchell's does help massively, but Rich Walker coped fine with 450 bhp from his SC gti6, Ash Hargreaves races his maxi kitted SC 6 against much bigger power Escorts skylines etc.

[dcc 855]

There is a great video on youtube of 2 s*itters in evos holding up a 205 mi16 at a track day. As stated by ash they have the grunt upwards of 80mph, but around the track they hold up the 205.

[allye 530 3 Cars]

Who's the Australian chap on here that races his 1.6GTI and keeps up with a surprising amount of stuff? As said though, trick chassis.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Don't foget talent plays a significant part in any of this.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

And using Road tyres at Combe is the main issue with Power

[Batfink 201]

Castle Combe tintops is a perfect illustration of why most blabbering on this thread are wrong, 225 ish bhp 106's beating big power turbo Leon's, Tomcat's, there are no evo's left as they've gone elsewhere as they weren't competitive within the regs.

 

there's also several fwd cars with high 200's and 300's proving that "230 bhp is the limit in fwd" a trick chassis like Colin Satchell's does help massively, but Rich Walker coped fine with 450 bhp from his SC gti6, Ash Hargreaves races his maxi kitted SC 6 against much bigger power Escorts skylines etc.

 

They have to meet some pretty tight regulations and these may favour one type of car over another. 4wd cars have to contend with their own design problems like transmission loss, but also poor chassis development compared to Colins race cars. When engines are so easy to tune often the rest of the car is not considered by the owner. Coilovers work right?....

As for saying 230bhp being the limit - did you mean 230 bhp is not the limit. ...maybe on road tyres like at Castle Combe but even Colin runs more in his own car.

With the right tyres and chassis and a progressive engine then I dont see why 300+ is not fast and easy to drive. The issue with using an evo engine is simply going to be power delivery, from turbo lag to rapid boosting spinning up the wheels.

Constella used a Ford Focus RS gearbox. I would hazard a guess it needed a custom adaptor plate to sort the mounting issue amongst a few other bits, but nothing significantly 'F1' in costs. A custom mount to run an intermediate shaft, custom linkages and wiring to an ecu from scratch. You could probably use Ford RS driveshafts cut down with Pug ends welded on. Its worked for Colins honda powered 205's. As often these never driveshafts are hollow tube it makes the task a bit easier..

Edited January 15, 2013 by Batfink

[24seven 104]

I can't remember who it was but someone on here had carried out a K20 conversion and mated the BE3 gearbox to the Honda engine, maintaining the original gearbox mount, driveshafts and so on and only needing custom lower and top mounts. I thought that was a pretty clever way around it.

 

As for an AWD 500bhp 205/Lancer/Impreza, that's all well and good but it';s a lot of custom work and you'll be left with little of the elements that make a 205 as much fun to drive as it is. It's also more of a custom project than this forum tends towards in its discussions; pipe-dreaming about this that and the other is just pub talk really and this place (I think most members would agree) is a bit beyond that.

[GLPoomobile 958]

Once upon a time, a little elf started a topic that had some questions and a rough aim.

 

Then the wicked witch and her monkeys came along and they said "No! Stupid Elf! You will NOT tarnish our forest with your drivel. We shall blow your world apart with our superior opinions!"

 

Blah blah blah blah blah

[GLPoomobile 958]

I bet an evo lump in a 205 would cost about the same if not more your overlooking alot of things here bob things like custom rads ,a clutch,custom exhaust system.,,driveshafts. Oh and what gearbox to use there isnt alot of front wheel drive cars that will cope with that sort of power so the price of a gearbox in there aswell.The rewiring probably would`nt be that easy probably some sort of multiplex or CAN system.So you would be best going aftermarket wiring/ecu +mapping .And again it would be crap against the gti6 lump above round a track it would be to uncontrollable

 

Are we comparing apples to apples, or apples to oranges?

 

Finger in the air time - if we were (hypothetically) comparing a ~400bhp Evo transplant to a ~400bhp XU10 turbo conversion, I'd suggest that the amount of custom work would be fairly similar.

 

You won't need custom mounts or transmission linkage with the XU10, but just about everything else will need to be modified in some way or other to cope with the boost, the torque, and the cooling.

 

On the other hand, with the Evo engine, you've got the mounts and transmission linkage to consider, but then do you need to spend so much time and money modifying the engine and transmission to cope with ~400bhp. I would hazard a guess that the answer is 'No'.

 

What makes a better track weapon? Frankly I don't care, that's for the OP to decide. Whatever his intended use is his choice, but he's come on here to ask for a liitle guidance on how to go about it, so why the negative reaction? Plenty of other projects on here that are way out of the traditional 205 ethos, but they don;t get shot down in flames

Edited January 15, 2013 by GLPoomobile

[TT205 42]

I can't remember who it was but someone on here had carried out a K20 conversion and mated the BE3 gearbox to the Honda engine, maintaining the original gearbox mount, driveshafts and so on and only needing custom lower and top mounts. I thought that was a pretty clever way around it.

 

 

 

Pretty sure it was the guy from Barbados, can't remember his name

[welshpug 1,657]

 

On the other hand, with the Evo engine, you've got the mounts and transmission linkage to consider, but then do you need to spend so much time and money modifying the engine and transmission to cope with ~400bhp. I would hazard a guess that the answer is 'No'.

 

there aren't any stock fwd boxes that fit the evo engine, that'll cope with 400 bhp, so there's an added expense comparable or more than sticking to a pug engine, so that's a yes (and why the constella 205 runs a ford gearbox)

Edited January 15, 2013 by welshpug

[GLPoomobile 958]

WP - bu again we have to compare apples to apples. I only mentioned 400bhp to provide some context. At 400bhp, the BE boxes won't last long either (so it's been said on here). If less than 400bhp, at a level that a BE box could handle long term, does the same rule still apply for the Mitsubishi boxes (that they have no FWD boxes that can cope)?

[Dizzee stuff 33 1 Cars]

constella 205 runs a ford RS focus gearbox as said before, If I remember correctly he faced off the bell housing to bring the gearbox closer to the engine then re-drilled the mounting holes. All this was done on his CNC machine which he still has the program for, I think he would probably be willing to help other people down the same route at a cost of course. seems like a nice helpful guy.

[Simes 248 2 Cars]

 

Pretty sure it was the guy from Barbados, can't remember his name

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showuser=347

[hcmini1989 16]

To answer one of the OP orignal questions i would look at some VAG gearboxes ive seen a few of these take 500bhp in FWD clios without to many isseues

 

Or you could possibly consider trying to split the transfer box from the gearbox and knocking something up that way to try and make it into some sort of 2wd box

 

GLP what about the xu10 lump (s16 engine) on here with a turbo on i think that was 500bhp maybe not usable but cheap and not to much involved in custom work

Edited January 15, 2013 by hcmini1989

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

A 205 is not a 205 if you stick another lump in it in my book,

 

but EVO's run into problems as does anything with high boost so I'd stick with a Turbo Mi, Look at the ex Will Gollop 306, rarely had many problems with huge power

[welshpug 1,657]

the Dorans run XU's in their various Citroens at a restricted 550 bhp.