Gti 1.6 With A 1.9?

[AbuShamah 0]

Hi everyone

 

Does anyone have any experience in buying a 205 1.6 fitted with a 1.9 engine? Would anyone recommend buying such a model?

 

Are there any signs to look out for when buying these types of cars?

 

Kindest Regards

Omar

[welshpug 1,657]

I haven't bought one bit I did look after one for a short while for a friend dong a few jobs on it.

 

It'll be no different to looking over any other 205.

[Anthony 1,003]

It's a common swap so you'll likely find quite a few 1.6 GTi models that have a 1.9 engine in them.

 

There's nothing really of note as it's a straight swap with no modifications needed, unlike say installing a 16v engine. Just make sure that the engine swap looks to have been carried out to a good standard, and check that they've also swapped over the correct parts for the 1.9 engine management - the fuel injectors should be yellow in colour, the ECU part number should be 0280 000 359 and the AFM part number should be 0280 202 109

 

Only potential downside is that insurance could be more problematic than insuring a "proper" 1.9 GTi given that, technically, it's a 1.6 GTi that has had an engine conversion done on it, and hence some mainstream insurers won't touch it and others may charge you a higher premium.

[Cameron 16]

That's if you tell them, of course! Not that I'm condoning lying to your insurers or anything, but the engines are totally unidentifieble from each other externally - or at least to the un-trained eye - so a lot of people used to do this conversion and just not tell anyone.

[McDude 33]

Also note you are missing out on other '1.9' model features - e.g. rear discs, different front hub/brake caliper, part leather interior, might have a 1.6 gearbox etc.

 

Not that any of these are essential, but I wouldn't pay as much for a converted 1.6 as I would for a same condition 1.9

[Baz 421]

I would if the shell and mechanicals were better, that's more important these days, everything else can be retro-fitted, if you want it. Personally I do t care for rear discs, a lazy gearbox and heavy flywheel.

[McDude 33]

I would if the shell and mechanicals were better, that's more important these days, everything else can be retro-fitted, if you want it. Personally I do t care for rear discs, a lazy gearbox and heavy flywheel.

 

I'd pay more for a better example too! That's why I was careful to use the phrase 'same condition' - ceteris parabus in Latin if you like; all things being equal if you don't! I was only trying to highlight to the original poster that there was more to a 1.9 than just the extra cubes. Whether or not one values those differences is personal.

[skyinsurance 2]

That's if you tell them, of course! Not that I'm condoning lying to your insurers or anything, but the engines are totally unidentifieble from each other externally - or at least to the un-trained eye - so a lot of people used to do this conversion and just not tell anyone.

 

Why even mention it? There are PLENTY of insurer out there who cater for and even specialise in engine-swap insurance. Also, trust me when I say this, if an insurer suspects foul play, they'll do some very careful and thorough investigations.

 

http://www.skyinsurance.co.uk/engine-swap-insurance.html

[Cameron 16]

I know, but back when 205's were a lot cheaper you'd see endless eBay ads for 1.6GTI's that had a 1.9 engine conversion but said it was "insured as a 1.6 winky face". It doesn't happen so much now that they're becoming a classic, but it still happens.

[skyinsurance 2]

I know, but back when 205's were a lot cheaper you'd see endless eBay ads for 1.6GTI's that had a 1.9 engine conversion but said it was "insured as a 1.6 winky face". It doesn't happen so much now that they're becoming a classic, but it still happens.

 

It's not the 1990's anymore.. If I see a car advertised as '1.0L on the logbook so cheap insurance!!!!111!!one' I deduce that the seller is a scumbag and I move onto the next car, that's just me though.

[Anthony 1,003]

Since Mr Sky Insurance is reading this, here's a question vaguely related to this topic.

 

In the eyes of insurers (or atleast, Sky Insurance), is a 205 that started life as a 1.6 GTi but that has subsequently been completely changed to 1.9 GTi spec, including each and every detail so that realistically short of decoding the VIN number you couldn't tell it apart:

 

1. Insured as a standard 1.9 GTi
   
2. Insured as a modified 1.6 GTi but with the same premium as a standard 1.9 GTi
   
3. Insured as a modified 1.6 GTi and with a higher premium than a standard 1.9 GTi

 

In effect the car is #1, logically it should be #2, but in reality I suspect that it's #3

[skyinsurance 2]

Since Mr Sky Insurance is reading this, here's a question vaguely related to this topic.

 

In the eyes of insurers (or atleast, Sky Insurance), is a 205 that started life as a 1.6 GTi but that has subsequently been completely changed to 1.9 GTi spec, including each and every detail so that realistically short of decoding the VIN number you couldn't tell it apart:

 

 

• Insured as a standard 1.9 GTi

   

   

• Insured as a modified 1.6 GTi but with the same premium as a standard 1.9 GTi

   

   

• Insured as a modified 1.6 GTi and with a higher premium than a standard 1.9 GTi

 

 

In effect the car is #1, logically it should be #2, but in reality I suspect that it's #3

From our perspective, we look at each case on it's own merit and look more at the driver than the particular vehicle.

 

We'll insure the car for what we are told it is. If the customer is fraudulent (non disclosing swap) then it is likely they'll have issues at claim time. I dare say 99% our customers are legit as they want peace of mind and a good level of cover for their pride and joy(s).

 

If it is a 1.6 converted to 1.9 then we'll insure it a 1.6 with the engine swap listed as a modification.

[McDude 33]

Not sure that answered Anthony's valid question! Would a 1.6 plus engine modification cost more to insure than a 1.9? For the second time this week, in this forum, I've had to use the phrase ceteris parabus - all things being equal.

[1 FAT PUG 39]

why dont the dvla or insurance people troll ebay for like as such "still registerd as a 1.1 but upto new owner to change or never bothered me" i have seen a 106 that had 2 gti6 engines in " still registerd as 1.1 or whatever it was, THAT is just blatantly taking the piiiiiss

[GLPoomobile 958]

_{Would you be happy to pay more for your tax and insurance to cover the cost of policing such activity?}

Edited December 19, 2012 by GLPoomobile

[Baz 421]

why dont the dvla or insurance people troll ebay for like as such "still registerd as a 1.1 but upto new owner to change or never bothered me" i have seen a 106 that had 2 gti6 engines in " still registerd as 1.1 or whatever it was, THAT is just blatantly taking the piiiiiss

 

What is registered as and what it's insured as are two different things though, there is no law stating that a car has to be registered in it's modified state, as far as the law's concerned as long as they're insured then it's fine, AFAIA anyway.

[skyinsurance 2]

Not sure that answered Anthony's valid question! Would a 1.6 plus engine modification cost more to insure than a 1.9? For the second time this week, in this forum, I've had to use the phrase ceteris parabus - all things being equal.

 

I've answered the question:

 

From our perspective, we look at each case on it's own merit and look more at the driver than the particular vehicle.

 

There is no yes or no answer.

[1 FAT PUG 39]

_{Would you be happy to pay more for your tax and insurance to cover the cost of policing such activity?}

they arnt really repairing the roads so the money is tied up somewhere... most probobly the goverment christmas party and fees..

 

 

What is registered as and what it's insured as are two different things though, there is no law stating that a car has to be registered in it's modified state, as far as the law's concerned as long as they're insured then it's fine, AFAIA anyway.

 

most cars will be still registerd as 1.1`s etc to keep the cheap tax aswell as cheap insurance, do you honestly think the young chavs in the novas and corsas etc running turbo or 16v engines will be insured on them properly.?? theres 2 lads i know thats just got astras with vxr engines in, they have bought them as there quick and they cant afford to insure a performance car, its ok tho till they have an accident or worse kill someone

[GLPoomobile 958]

I assume you've reported them then

[skyinsurance 2]

they arnt really repairing the roads so the money is tied up somewhere... most probobly the goverment christmas party and fees..

 

 

most cars will be still registerd as 1.1`s etc to keep the cheap tax aswell as cheap insurance, do you honestly think the young chavs in the novas and corsas etc running turbo or 16v engines will be insured on them properly.?? theres 2 lads i know thats just got astras with vxr engines in, they have bought them as there quick and they cant afford to insure a performance car, its ok tho till they have an accident or worse kill someone

 

Novas not so much.. we hold an affiliation with the Performance Nova Group, they are a good bunch and generally speaking are upfront with mods and conversions.

[Cameron 16]

Yep, I loiter on PNG a little bit and they seem a good bunch, not to dissimilar to us really.

 

My Sky - I completely agree, and that's what I would do too.. I'm just saying, like it or not, it happens.