Biggest Brake Setup On A 205

[Carbs4me 45]

the 1.6 i was happy with for the engine power i had, it was suffient, but this 1.9 i have i have braided lines on it, and replaced the master cyclinder which was knackerd, only get the same breaking power i had at first which tbh isnt as good as my 1.6Gti i had the disc where not massive either just standard size ones that had been drilled and grooved.

 

I like those calipers like i say they look the part! i dont like painting the standard ones red or yellow or whatever colour you have to make them look flashy.

[welshpug 1,658]

well without decent condition calipers and not enough servo assistance it wont slow down very well, so I'd suggest to start there.

 

What pads do you use?

[Baz 421]

[Carbs4me 45]

they where greenstuff pads i think...

 

I changed the master cyclinder last year before my MOT and changed the pads to some cheapo bog standard ones about 4 month ago because they ran low which made no diffrents, i was using cheapo pads on my 1.6 aswell, but still that would stop far quicker than the 1.9.

 

What are they baz! they look awefull!

[kyepan 291]

those my son, are some of the best brakes money can buy, super light Alcon four pot with alloy bells.

 

Start with some decent pad material and decent fluid, and see how you get on.

[Carbs4me 45]

i wont know till i get my 205 running again

[Batfink 201]

Try a proper fast road or light race compound. They will be like night and day compared to OEM or Greenstuff.

 

Big discs will only help braking distance when the heat capacity of the standard size disc is surpassed. Back to back for a single braking instance there really will be little or no difference. What you are changing by moving the caliper away from the disc centre is the braking feel. Less effort is needed by your foot to apply the maximum braking before traction is lost. Maximum braking performance is more down to controlling the chassis weight transfer under braking (by lightening the car, or fitting better suspension). This allows a greater force to be applied before tyre traction is lost. The other way is by improving tyre friction co-efficient with better tyres.

Even if the gti-6 calipers are able to physically apply more force you cannot use this to any real advantage as you will still skid when the tyres reach that same critical point.

 

Performance pads cope with higher temperatures overall meaning you can use smaller discs than with an inferior compound. Sintered metal pads do not compress either so improve pedal feel and confidence. The higher friction co-efficient of the brake pad materials will also give a sharper 'bite'.

 

Obviously there will be a point when standard type calipers are simply not up to the job when the car and tyres are suitably modified, but I'd rather run the lightest I can than the biggest and shiniest. Those Alcons may be ugly but its a damn good bit of kit on the right car.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Batfink

[Cameron 16]

Get rid of the EBC pads, they're awful. Fit a set of Mintex 1144 and see how much it improves.. also you should bleed the brakes and check the condition of your lines & flexi's front & rear. If you're having to really stamp on the brakes and the servo makes a funny noise then it could be nackered, but would be strange if it only did it when hot.

[Carbs4me 45]

Like i said when the brake is pressed at anytime once its warmed up or been running for 5min you press the brake if your driven or at a stand still, you hear a hiss for aslong as the pedal is pressed.

 

Before i commit to buying a upgrade i will replace all the lines with new including braided lines, copper lines, brake compensators and will buy a new servo i will try it and if i aint happy with it i will start buying new calipers and disc slowly.

[Baz 421]

What are they baz! they look awefull!

 

As above! Magnesium-alloy ex-works GpA Alcon 4pots with alloy belled 265mm discs. i don't really care what they looked like tbh, they weighed feck all in the great scheme of things and worked well, wish i never sold them.

[welshpug 1,658]

The predecessor of the AP's I posted up above, 270mm off the cupcar 106's and saxo's.

 

Try 1144's as suggested by Cameron, I use them in my daily drive, only because they were cheap though! before those I used Eurorepar which are an o.e supplied pad.

[matt.f 16]

 

Creamed!

Do they fit under 14" alloys?running 14" gtx

Edited November 2, 2012 by matt.f

[welshpug 1,658]

They do indeed Matt, the cupcars ran 14" discs but with what I believe was a 1.6 205 GTi drive flange and a 10mm taller offset disc to suit, some are a bit tight as you can see the caliper on that Rallye has been dressed on the upper corner, I have seen some under a 14" steelie.

 

if you want more details on those get in touch with Mike, indigorallye on the rallye register, or he has a website as 106maxi.co.uk, AFAIK around £600 a pair less discs.

[MiniGibbo 142]

I run 266's with oem calipers and yeah i dont have the most power in the world but the brakes are awesome, far out perform the tyres.

[Cameron 16]

Love those calipers! If only they came in radial mount..

[Carbs4me 45]

AFAIK around £600 a pair less discs.

 

£600 a pair! Geeze!

[Baz 421]

That's cheap.

[Anthony 1,003]

I was about to say, for a pair of new AP 4 pots that sounds surprisingly reasonable!

 

(although I'm sure the disks and bells add a fair amount onto that)

[welshpug 1,658]

indeed they do, the original Cup discs were not belled but still a custom one piece, the belled disc pictured was made up to be used on the standard offset hubs.

[cybernck 402 1 Cars]

Petert, do you use rear compensators with your GTI-6 front brakes setup?

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=144815

[kyepan 291]

Want ap.. Want

[welshpug 1,658]

Want ap.. Want

 

BUY AP, BUY

 

DOO EEET

[Cameron 16]

Anyone know a good place to get AP calipers cheap? The only place I can find with a decent range is PartBox and they're all at RRP.

 

Edit: I know they'll never be cheap cheap, but every little helps!

Edited November 2, 2012 by Cameron

[Rippthrough 98]

Just ring AP themselves....see if they have some display calipers.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Rippthrough

[Mad Scientist 106]

Cameron, pm me!

 

To the op:

 

Sounds like you need a new servo or servo to manifold pipe to me. If you want to see what properly maintained 1.9 brakes can do, I'll be selling my reconditioned, powder coated black calipers, discs, ds2500 pads and ss flexi lines soon. 2000 miles old. Brought my 200 bhp, 800kg 205 to a very abrupt halt fine. Only upgraded (to 6 pot calipers, 285mm discs and bells) to cope with the constant heavy braking of stage rallies, along with somewhere in the region of 270 ponies.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Mad Scientist