207 Gti / Mini Cooper S Engine 205 Gti

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Has anyone seen this conversion done? Been thinking about it what's your thoughts guys ?

[S@m 156]

There are vague similarities to the old TU engine - but its basically a completely new design (EP series). I have never seen one converted but tehre has been talk of it before, a search should find a few topics. I imagine it would be a fairly custom job fitting it - with regards to chassis mods and driveshaft choices (although some EP engines use a reangled BE4 box). Then you'd probably have to run it on standalone management since all standard cars will be multiplexed. It would be like using an EW engine, but a lot more work again with no real benefit.

 

Its not the best engine though - i work in a citroen garage - and these engines are known for drinking oil, stretching timing chains and a variety of other wonderful faults.

 

As i said, i haven't actually seen one converted, but the above was enough to put me off!

 

Sam

Edited September 15, 2012 by Sam306

[aarontrophy 26]

I agree

[Sandy 191]

The basic reliability issues the standard engines are suffering, I wouldn't be in any hurry to fit one through choice! Given the range of much better and easy engine options...

[welshpug 1,666]

As mentioned, was chatting to a Peugeot Master Tech last week and he was cursing them as crap BMW engines

 

most issues are around the timing chain and tensioners, though another tech did say there were some fixes I don't know what they were, he hasn't replied yet.

 

if only they'd stuck to a belt, or driven a single cam from the crank with a second chain linking the cams rather than a single long chain, it sounds like they would be decent!

[calvinhorse 870]

Also if the oil isn't in top condition (every 5,000miles with the perfect amount the valve gear will wear the head and the engine will tap for ever more

 

That's from a Peugeot main dealer who was very un impressed

[welshpug 1,666]

yes, though that's the case for most modern engines.

[allye 530 3 Cars]

Isn't the RCZ getting a 260hp engine soon? that would be worth it.....

[welshpug 1,666]

not unless they redesign the timing end of the engine

 

 

must be a reason why Citroen did not use this engine as a base for their WRC engine, but designed a totally new engine

Edited September 16, 2012 by welshpug

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what did Prodrive / Mini use?

[grandos 16]

Highly tuned / modified Version of the jcw engine!

[welshpug 1,666]

Which is the ep6 engine....

 

As has the ds3r3 and the r2 and r5t pug 208's, so they must have some fixes...

[S@m 156]

My bosses ds3r (road car) drinks oil like its going out of fashion - he hates that my 24 yr old 205 doesnt use a drop and is always golden whilst his brand new £23k ds3 is always being topped up and is black!

 

One of the fixes i have seen on the later RCZ's and now the DS4 is deleting the breather from the cam cover to the inlet tract. PSA seem to be keeping this one quiet since it effects the engines emissions but at least it prevents all the oil being sucked into the inlet.

 

Sam

Edited September 19, 2012 by Sam306

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new engines might be worth considering once people start crashing them

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