Peugeot 407, Any Good?

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

I've been looking into getting a 407 for daily driver now, as they are getting reasonable cheap.

 

My 405 diesel have a messed up drivers seat, and I'm getting a bit tired of it.

 

Anyone have any good experience with the 407? I called my local peugeot dealer and they told me buying a 407 is to "get a hole in your wallet".

 

I'm not so sure about that though, my dad have had a 2.0 petrol one for several years without any larger problems, but the one I'm looking at is a 2.0 HDI, so I guess the particle filter system etc. is extra stuff that might let go.

 

Please share your experience if you got any

[Guest davetibbs]

I've been looking into getting a 407 for daily driver now, as they are getting reasonable cheap.

 

My 405 diesel have a messed up drivers seat, and I'm getting a bit tired of it.

 

Anyone have any good experience with the 407? I called my local peugeot dealer and they told me buying a 407 is to "get a hole in your wallet".

 

I'm not so sure about that though, my dad have had a 2.0 petrol one for several years without any larger problems, but the one I'm looking at is a 2.0 HDI, so I guess the particle filter system etc. is extra stuff that might let go.

 

Please share your experience if you got any

 

My mate had one for a while. It was comfortable etc as most big French cars are, but the two things that stick in my mind are:

 

1) The lag on that 2.0 HDi engine was horrific and I thought bordered on offensive. There was a massive flat spot down the bottom, right where it should have been torquey as anything. Normally I'd say this could have been a fault with his engine, but Top Gear said the same thing in their review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOOqTr4JSDo), so I'm inclined to think it could affect them all.

 

2) There's a steering bush in the front suspension setup that wears easily and often, it's a pig to change and it makes the steering really vague.

 

Having said that, with the ESP and EBD it handled REALLY well for a big barge, and you could take corners at (in my mind) an impressive speed.

 

Sorry I can't give more insight!

Edited April 23, 2012 by davetibbs

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

My mate had one for a while. It was comfortable etc as most big French cars are, but the two things that stick in my mind are:

 

1) The lag on that 2.0 HDi engine was horrific and I thought bordered on offensive. There was a massive flat spot down the bottom, right where it should have been torquey as anything. Normally I'd say this could have been a fault with his engine, but Top Gear said the same thing in their review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOOqTr4JSDo), so I'm inclined to think it could affect them all.

 

2) There's a steering bush in the front suspension setup that wears easily and often, it's a pig to change and it makes the steering really vague.

 

Having said that, with the ESP and EBD it handled REALLY well for a big barge, and you could take corners at (in my mind) an impressive speed.

 

Sorry I can't give more insight!

 

Thanks anyway. The car in question is at the moment having a "Depollution system failure" message, so something must be done to it.

Hopefully it is not too much work.

 

Kinda made my mind up anyway now, so I'll get it even if it's crap. That's me and buying cars

[cybernck 402 1 Cars]

It can be a number of things, but usually something to do with EGR / FAP filter on HDI's (expensive ).

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

It can be a number of things, but usually something to do with EGR / FAP filter on HDI's (expensive ).

 

Yeah, but I found new exhaust filters on eBay for only about 200£ so that's not a biggie really, and some of that DPF fluid also didn't seem to cost too much, as 3 litres is supposed to be enough for 120000km.

 

I'm hopefully picking up the car on friday this week, and drive it back home on sunday

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

Got it home now. Quite pleased with the looks and the extra equipment.

 

- Full leather seats with electric adjustment

- Naviation

- CD changer

- Built in telephone

- Aux in for video

 

And the more or less standard new car equipment that is luxury for someone that has been driving a 405 for the last 12 years

 

It is not as quick as the 405 though, and it is more sluggish on the throttle, due du electric pedal and emissions I believe.

I will probably try to get it "chipped" later on, but need to get rid of the fault code first.

 

 

Ordered some 607 Brembo calipers for it, hopefully the will fit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260886560344?ssP...984.m1439.l2649

 

Also got Peugeot Lexia diagnosis, and a particulate filter tool that can erase codes, and be used after filling up with fluid etc.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180800177227?ssP...984.m1439.l2649

 

Will be interesting to see how "hard" it really is to work on the newer cars.

 

I'll have to repaint a lot of it though, was used for driving school, so it has a lot of bad stuff in the paintwork.

[welshpug 1,663]

which engine? they are meant to be fantastic handling cars though classically French, i.e immense grip but still quite soft and comfortable the front suspension is particularly complex at first glance.

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

It's the RHR 2.0 Hdi with particulate filter.

 

I have the engine light on (why the car was so hard to sell in the first place, but I got a good price reduction).

So need to figure out what's wrong. It used a lot of fuel on the way home also.

 

Approx 7-7.5l/100km, compared to my thrustworthy 405 2.1 TD which used to do that more or less at 5l/100km spot on if I was only doing long distance driving, so I need to get the consumption down to acceptable levels.

 

Front suspension is nice, double wishbone and multilink at the rear, it handles as on rails and body roll etc. feels completely different from the 405.

Edited May 8, 2012 by B1ack_Mi16

[welshpug 1,663]

any known fault codes? that is quite thirsty! 2.1 405 sounds ok, mum's 405 does 4.7-4.2+

[cybernck 402 1 Cars]

Hmm, isn't that just front-right caliper?

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

Hmm, isn't that just front-right caliper?

 

It is, but of course I also got the left one

 

I'm not sure whether it will fit or not though, as searching google haven't really revealed anything specific regarding 407 and this caliper.

Seem like the discs are 309mm diameter on the 607, and only 607 Mk1 have the brembos.

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

any known fault codes? that is quite thirsty! 2.1 405 sounds ok, mum's 405 does 4.7-4.2+

 

No, not anything else than the generic "Anti-Pollution System Faulty", so hard to pinpoint anything at all from that.

 

I suppose the 2.1 is a slgihtly bit more thirsty than a calmly driven 1.9 TD, but my driving style is not really economic anyway, and the diesel pump timing and such is just set by me manually without really knowing if it is right or not

 

Reading some other forums and some reports more like 4.5/100km for the 407 on steady motorway driving, so I hope that's where I get. It not I'll need to get it chipped, and also remove that large brick in the exhaust. Looked under car yesterday and I'm amused by the size of the DPF, it was huuge. No wonder it do cost a bit to replace.

[lendl2 0]

407 cannot be compared to 405, uninspiring to drive, rubery steering in comparison. With that sporty front subframe it corners like on rails, but no driver´s car, clumsy reactions comparing to lighter 405. Made for high speeds on highway where excels. New 508 has much better feel on B-roads and better ride too(although that cannot be compared to 405 too, too soft around the edges, lighter steering ). Diesels do the job impresivelly, but they are still diesels(slow throttle response, boring sound). But 407s are reliable though, and better made than presumed.

Edited July 14, 2012 by lendl2

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

I've ended up doing a engine overhaul due to having to take it out because some bolts snapped on the EGR parts when I was undoing it to try to gain access to glow plugs that needed to be changed.

 

I've also bought Bilstein B8 dampers for the 407 and 35mm lowering springs.

 

I agree the throttle response is boring, but the grip and suspension response is very impressive.

 

I hope I can sort the 407 out now for a long while, so I can focus on the T16 once again

[lendl2 0]

I've ended up doing a engine overhaul due to having to take it out because some bolts snapped on the EGR parts when I was undoing it to try to gain access to glow plugs that needed to be changed.

 

I've also bought Bilstein B8 dampers for the 407 and 35mm lowering springs.

 

I agree the throttle response is boring, but the grip and suspension response is very impressive.

 

I hope I can sort the 407 out now for a long while, so I can focus on the T16 once again

 

But just impressive, not inspiring to drive... Not a bad car for everyday purposes though. I would say it is made for high speeds on highway where it corners like on rails. Also higher front tyres pressure helps handling a lot. But no driver´s car.