Harmonic Balanser

[pavlony 0]

This part can not be bought. (At least not at the normal price). So I decided to make the tool.

 

 

After vulcanization it looks like this.

 

same story with tensioner,after some machining, new bearing was inserted.

[rodionski 3 1 Cars]

Usually everyone will just machine a solid pulley out of steel or alloy. Why would you make the rubber one seeing so much more effort in making one?

What would be the benefits over making a solid alloy one, and what's the price for restoring the OE pulley?

 

Thanks

[imaS 0]

Solid pulley does not reduce torsional vibrations.

[rodionski 3 1 Cars]

That is obvious, thank you. But all tuned engines use solid alloy pulleys for a reason, would you agree?

I've seen a couple of engines broken because of the stock pulley breaking in two pieces.

Never seen engines break due to the pulley being solid.

So the question still stands.

[B1ack_Mi16 67]

It's still to damp out torsional vibrations in the crank.

 

Whether it's needed or not is not easy to know, but it certainly should help to some extent on the fatigue life of the crankshaft.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

In all the years of selling the Alloy pullies for these along with the GTi6 engine, I have never heard anything bad or Failing from fitting them, It's the same aguement for pro's and con's of each, Like Turbo and Superchargers

[John 0]

The torsional forces on the crank would probably be reduced if you fitted a lightened flywheel at the same time?

[rodionski 3 1 Cars]

The torsional forces on the crank would probably be reduced if you fitted a lightened flywheel at the same time?

 

may be. however there is a pretty well based point of view that the weight of the flywheel should not be reduced too much (and it is not related to idle and drivability)

[pavlony 0]

Is it possible to lighten factory flywheel, if yes in which area?

[rodionski 3 1 Cars]

Is it possible to lighten factory flywheel, if yes in which area?

 

Definitely possible. The MOST gain is achieved by shaving metall (and drilling holes) off the outer diameter of the flywheel.

The further from the center, the greater the inertia forces are per each ounce of weight. e.g. if 100 grams are taken from the inner part - it will gain nothing. If the same weight is taken off the crown - the gain is substantial.

[chris adams 0]

The torsional forces on the crank would probably be reduced if you fitted a lightened flywheel at the same time?

 

may be. however there is a pretty well based point of view that the weight of the flywheel should not be reduced too much (and it is not related to idle and drivability)

 

i totally agree. ! me thinks that flywheel reduction should only occur when other items have been lightened themselves. ie pistons and conrods then equate lightening to the reduction of a flywheel ie if i reduce piston n conrod weight by 5% then reduce this from the flywheel. end of. as ive said before engine designers dont produce an engine for the hell of it theres careful thought to how an engine will cope at different levels of performance. it is also known that billet cranks are far lighter than there counterpart originals which upsets the balance of the engine which is the main reason for occasional rebuilds. so if you want out n out performance that lasts for a season or less do the most to reduce weight on every component you can but if you want power and reliability stick with the formula that was already produced and improve on that.

Edited January 5, 2011 by mi8 turbo

[rodionski 3 1 Cars]

In all the years of selling the Alloy pullies for these along with the GTi6 engine, I have never heard anything bad or Failing from fitting them, It's the same aguement for pro's and con's of each, Like Turbo and Superchargers

 

Just to check - what's the weight difference against the stock pulley and what's the price of your alloy pulley (plus delivery to Kyiv, Ukraine)? Many thanks!

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

My Alloy pullies are around 650g's, no idea on the std one as I don;t have any currently, Delivery to the Ukraine inc pulley would be £105.00

[pavlony 0]

standard pulley weighs 1320 g

[chris adams 0]

standard pulley weighs 1320 g

 

more than half the weight of standard! thats impressive and piece of mind that it will never go wrong. ill be saving for one of these asap.

Edited January 7, 2011 by mi8 turbo

[chris adams 0]

Is it possible to lighten factory flywheel, if yes in which area?

 

Definitely possible. The MOST gain is achieved by shaving metall (and drilling holes) off the outer diameter of the flywheel.

The further from the center, the greater the inertia forces are per each ounce of weight. e.g. if 100 grams are taken from the inner part - it will gain nothing. If the same weight is taken off the crown - the gain is substantial.

 

if you take 100 grams from the inner part you will save 100 grams in weight which is a direct link to power per ton, yes it is a fraction but it still helps.

Edited January 7, 2011 by mi8 turbo

[chris adams 0]

This part can not be bought. (At least not at the normal price). So I decided to make the tool.

 

 

 

After vulcanization it looks like this.

 

 

same story with tensioner,after some machining, new bearing was inserted.

 

maybe you,ve got the right idea but the wrong formula. if you could increase the bond of the two materials but still keep their original design then this would be satisfactory to others.

Edited January 7, 2011 by mi8 turbo

[chris adams 0]

believe it or not i have had a few ideas of design myself only to see them mass produced. my first was a motorcycle lock i designed to fasten the throttle n front brake together. i was sixteen. and 3 years ago i saw a bike with this design im now 30. i thought of a washer machine with direct drive 5 years ago and guess what was released last year!!!!!!!!!. and i also designed on paper the electric power turbo only to read about it in maxpower 12 months later for £250 only my design had the workings from a scalextric controller to increse speed. so i think you are on the right lines. hmmmmm i could smell a buisness plan coming on.

Edited January 7, 2011 by mi8 turbo

[chris adams 0]

can i ask how would a cast set of assembleies work under the conditions of the original setup.? but plz no sarcasum. . when i say cast i mean how would the outerpart wear against the rubber belt???????????????????..........................

[KRISKARRERA 2 1 Cars]

I don't understand why this part wasn't solid in the first place. After all it's connected to the alternator via a rubber belt which has a certain about of stretch anyway.

[chris adams 0]

I don't understand why this part wasn't solid in the first place. After all it's connected to the alternator via a rubber belt which has a certain about of stretch anyway.

 

in my opinion manufacturors make things to go wrong in the first place thus increasing the income from the models, cars/bikes they produce after forecourt sales.( simples )

[WA405 0]

This part can not be bought. (At least not at the normal price). So I decided to make the tool.

 

 

 

After vulcanization it looks like this.

 

 

same story with tensioner,after some machining, new bearing was inserted.

 

pavlony, what material did you use to replace the rubber portion of the repair?

 

Thanks