What Gearbox For +400Hp Xu10 Turbo Applications?

[Jakob 1]

What gearbox are people using?

 

Engine XU10

Range 400-550hp

Range 500-600 nm

 

I read some time ago one used the 5 speed Belingo diesel box and shortened the drive shaft and changed to the hydrolic clutch. This box should be ok/good for what I remember - any one with such experience?

 

Is any of the BE3 boxes used...What you people using?? What is the experience??

 

Thanks

Jakob

[calvinhorse 870]

Non of the be boxes will "happily" cope with that kind of power but your first weak point is the standard diff.. Anything other than straight line driving will bend the teeth in a couple of corners.

 

Even if the diesel box is up to the job the gear ratios won't match very well, too long I think?

[wracing 19]

If you can manage the gearbox oil temps they can take quite a bit of power.

[rallyeash 155]

the High boost supercharged 306 gti6's which are 400-450hp run the standard gti6 boxes and as far as im aware noones had one actually fail so far.

[welshpug 1,661]

naah, there's been a few failures! but the torque is quite a bit lower and massively linear.

 

http://www.306gti6.c...d.php?id=149529

 

 

Edited August 3, 2012 by welshpug

[Jakob 1]

Non of the be boxes will "happily" cope with that kind of power but your first weak point is the standard diff.. Anything other than straight line driving will bend the teeth in a couple of corners.

 

Even if the diesel box is up to the job the gear ratios won't match very well, too long I think?

 

What diff are people then using?

[Jakob 1]

If you can manage the gearbox oil temps they can take quite a bit of power.

 

that is what I would expect - has anyone been using oilcooler?

[Jakob 1]

naah, there's been a few failures! but the torque is quite a bit lower and massively linear.

 

http://www.306gti6.c...d.php?id=149529

 

I would not expect the 6speed to cope with the torque as well as a 5speed. Usely 6speed "aftermarket" boxes are listed with lower torque ratings than 5speed

[wracing 19]

I was running a Bosch oil pump with a 13row cooler I had to fit a thermostat switch or the box was crunchly all the time. settled on a 65degree switch fitted in a drilling in the end on the 6/5 gear housing.

 

James

[Jakob 1]

Can you guyes point me to some running high power/torque - just to see experience/ask what they are using

 

Anyone using diesel box?

[Jakob 1]

I was running a Bosch oil pump with a 13row cooler I had to fit a thermostat switch or the box was crunchly all the time. settled on a 65degree switch fitted in a drilling in the end on the 6/5 gear housing.

 

James

 

Interesting - what gearbox?

What torque/power?

[petert 588]

ME/ML type from Turbo 8V, V6, T16 etc. is your answer, not BE*.

[welshpug 1,661]

Have to agree with petert, ml6 is used on many 170 bhp dw12 engines that have lots of torque and are in heavier vehicles than a 205 wiyhout many known issues.

 

Diffs are available, shafts are strong, hydro clutch cable shift, same as a v6 conversion

[Jakob 1]

ME/ML type from Turbo 8V, V6, T16 etc. is your answer, not BE*.

Great thanks - The turbo 8v sounds interesting -> could you be more specific, any experience or application running one of these?

 

Does the turbo 8v have hydralic clutch?

 

Is it a direct fit on the XU blok?

 

Thanks

[Jakob 1]

appears they have hydralic clutch and caples for shifting gears ... at least the info I found on google for the ML5

If it (ml5) fits the xu10j2te engine and XU10 T16 I would asume the ML5 would fit the generel XU10 engine

 

I think this, the ml5, is also on many diesels just other gear ratios - and I would asume this is the one I saw in thread some years back

 

Not many pictures on google for the ML/ME engines

 

What is the diffirence between ME and ML?

 

Anyone fitted on of these and has pictures? specially interested in the caples and hydrolic...

 

Any pictures much appriciated

 

Thanks

[petert 588]

Either ME or ML will fit XU. ME/ML are gearbox types, not engines.

 

T16(ME)

1. 12x41=3.42

2. 22x40=1.82

3. 28x35=1.25

4. 32x31=0.97

5. 43x33=0.77

final:15x59=3.93

 

XM V6 (ML5T):

1st 3.251

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.902

5th 0.733

FD 4.177

 

XM 2.1TD (ME5)

1st 3.417

2nd 1.994

3rd 1.25

4th 0.882

5th 0.674

FD 3.93

 

Xantia V6 / 406 V6 (ML5T)

1st 3.251

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.875

5th 0.702

FD 4.314

 

Xantia 2.0T (ML5T):

1st 3.250

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.875

5th 0.702

FD 4.478

 

XM Turbo CT (ME5)

1st 3.167

2nd 1.818

3rd 1.250

4th 0.969

5th 0.767

FD 4.214

 

806 2.0T (ML5T)

1st 3.416

2nd 1.818

3rd 1.250

4th 0.969

5th 0.768

FD 4.216

 

(courtesy Hilgert)

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

The V6 Bell housing won;t fit, easy to swap thou

[Jakob 1]

Either ME or ML will fit XU. ME/ML are gearbox types, not engines.

 

T16(ME)

1. 12x41=3.42

2. 22x40=1.82

3. 28x35=1.25

4. 32x31=0.97

5. 43x33=0.77

final:15x59=3.93

 

XM V6 (ML5T):

1st 3.251

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.902

5th 0.733

FD 4.177

 

XM 2.1TD (ME5)

1st 3.417

2nd 1.994

3rd 1.25

4th 0.882

5th 0.674

FD 3.93

 

Xantia V6 / 406 V6 (ML5T)

1st 3.251

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.875

5th 0.702

FD 4.314

 

Xantia 2.0T (ML5T):

1st 3.250

2nd 1.783

3rd 1.194

4th 0.875

5th 0.702

FD 4.478

 

XM Turbo CT (ME5)

1st 3.167

2nd 1.818

3rd 1.250

4th 0.969

5th 0.767

FD 4.214

 

806 2.0T (ML5T)

1st 3.416

2nd 1.818

3rd 1.250

4th 0.969

5th 0.768

FD 4.216

 

(courtesy Hilgert)

 

Great thanks for the info

 

So the bellhousings for those will fit a XU10 engine .... execpt the one from a V6

 

Thanks

[Jakob 1]

Found this thread, some good info and pictures

 

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=78779&st=0

 

Seems the diff from the ME/ML boxes are bigger, hence some cutting in the suspension frame at the back would be needed

[Jakob 1]

To have a ML5 gearbox it fit on a XU engine in a peugeot 205 I assume:

 

New bracket/flange to hold the box

Hydrolic clutch setup

Caple gear shift setup, including new gear arm setup in cabine

Cutting in suspension frame to clear for larger diff

Cut, shorten and re-weld the larger drive shafts to fit 205

 

Anything else?, any pictures from anyone?

 

Is there any difference to gear caple setup on the ML vs. ME boxes - what is the differences?

 

Thanks

[wicked 103 3 Cars]

Note that the ML/ME boxes are very heavy!

 

With 550bhp it would consider oil cooling as well...

Gearbox oil is often just mineral oil and you can expect a lot of transmission losses in gearbox (powerwise) that heat the oil.

[welshpug 1,661]

I know the V6 ML is around 50 kilos, I doubt an XU pattern one will be much different, though the 14 kilo penalty over a BE for a stronger box is worth it.

[Jakob 1]

Yes, the that a 6speed box shoudl heavier than the BE3 5speed. I am looking into the ML5 5speed

 

Would asume a ML5 5speed would be arround 5-10 kg more due to the bigger diff, interias ..

[[L'e$kro] 2]

Both Ml5 and Me5 have been fitted to XU engines successfully

There is a conversion kit for the ME5 gearbox sold in France. It has a new stainless steel battery mount in 2 pieces, the rear fork mount that goes on the torque engine mount, and also some custom linkages.

There are still a lot of modifications involved, like shortening the driveshafts, possibly making a bit of clearance for the bell-housing in the subframe, shortening the clutch cable and modifying the arm etc..

I didn't do this myself yet, just considering it if the Be gearbox gives up.

Nico

[Jakob 1]

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Both Ml5 and Me5 have been fitted to XU engines successfully

There is a conversion kit for the ME5 gearbox sold in France. It has a new stainless steel battery mount in 2 pieces, the rear fork mount that goes on the torque engine mount, and also some custom linkages.

There are still a lot of modifications involved, like shortening the driveshafts, possibly making a bit of clearance for the bell-housing in the subframe, shortening the clutch cable and modifying the arm etc..

I didn't do this myself yet, just considering it if the Be gearbox gives up.

Nico

 

That sounds just great - Can you point me to the company selling the kit?? a link possible. That would be much appriciated, tanks :-)

Jakob