Retro-Fitting The Vvt Head To Ew10J4

[Jabo 3]

Yeah, I've removed that post already. The V6 has 39% more torque. It's still barely any faster 0-60.

 

I don't know the figures from the top of my head, but I refuse to believe that is correct. A 2.0 16v 4 cyl that needs the tits revving off it to make its 175bhp, versus a gutsy 3.0 V6 that has loads of pull from low down, only 2 ft lb different? No way. I'd have thought the 2.0 16v will make MAX 150 ft lb and the V6 will easily be around the 200 ft lb mark.

[welshpug 1,657]

You're not far wrong tom, though it does sounds like the OP was referring to the 138 engine, though this is not far off the 180ps variant on torque.

 

Interestingly a throttle bodied 206 gti 138 pushed out around 170 lbft over a fair curve, though nowhere near the tabletop of grunt that the ES9 produces.

 

 

if you really want the VVT head you'd be best off using the full 180 engine, as it was designed as a complete package, there's a lot different in the bottom end as well, of course there's the EW12 which would be quite a match to the ES on peak torque.

[Tom Fenton 1,542]

Yeah, I've removed that post already. The V6 has 39% more torque. It's still barely any faster 0-60.

 

I am not sure why you are asking on this forum, you seem to know all the answers already. Good luck with your car.

[Jabo 3]

This is why I'm asking on this forum. I didn't know the bottom ends are different. Thanks welshpug.

 

if you really want the VVT head you'd be best off using the full 180 engine, as it was designed as a complete package, there's a lot different in the bottom end as well, of course there's the EW12 which would be quite a match to the ES on peak torque.

[Tesstuff 222]

The 0-60 mph times quoted everywhere seem to point out that the V6's 215lb/ft of torque (vs the EW10J4's 140lb/ft) doesn't make it much faster in the real world.

 

You proved my point, you really haven't a clue.

 

The relevance of a 0-60 time in real world driving is what exactly?

 

Unless you stalk traffic lights waiting for like minded(God forbid) people to roll up then it has none.

 

But congratulations for going top of the nominees in this year's 'Did I Really Bother Reading and Contributing to that Thread?' award.

Edited April 22, 2012 by Tesstuff

[Jabo 3]

You're wrong, Tesstuff. Acceleration from standing is vastly important in real world driving. You don't want to be driving an old dog that takes an age to pull out of a junction.

A good 0-60 time is important for driving in areas such as mine where I need to join national speed limit dual carriageways from junctions a lot.

 

I really hope that most users on this forum aren't like you, Tesstuff.

 

 

You proved my point, you really haven't a clue.

 

The relevance of a 0-60 time in real world driving is what exactly?

 

Unless you stalk traffic lights waiting for like minded(God forbid) people to roll up then it has none.

 

But congratulations for going top of the nominees in this year's 'Did I Really Bother Reading and Contributing to that Thread?' award.

[Henry Yorke 269 3 Cars]

Lets get this back on topic. You are looking for a cheap fix for quicker acceleration on a 138bhp "206 GTI" engine and think that swapping the head to a "206 GTI 180" one with variable valve timing might provide this as they have 40bhp more.

 

I don't think this will work cost effectively as you will need to change all the inlet as they have a special dual induction system which is ECU controlled and quite sensitive. Also it will not be a case of plug and play on the ECU as it may necessitate changing all the locks as the immobiliser is integral. Also there are some further internal differences as I know Peugeot struggled to get the 180bhp it desired out of this engine in the first place.

 

The cheapest option would be to buy this engine and loom package and fit complete, though I don't believe they are that common so not that cheap. A Diesel option would give you the most power and torque and are "remappable", but this is not to your preference.

There are options on petrol V6's and these are often good value second hand buys, particularly with them having historically been already fitted. However, I would sell yours and buy one from factory as they are to be had for peanuts now:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53ec36b2ed

 

This is probably not the best forum for detailed advice as neither the V6 or the EW10 was fitted to a 205 and is not a common conversion, so hands on knowledge is limited.

[welshpug 1,657]

one thing that V6 would benefit massively from, would be a manual box conversion.

[Jabo 3]

Ok Henry, thank you for your advice. The details about the inlet and immobiliser are very valuable and are good reasons not to do it.

 

Lets get this back on topic. You are looking for a cheap fix for quicker acceleration on a 138bhp "206 GTI" engine and think that swapping the head to a "206 GTI 180" one with variable valve timing might provide this as they have 40bhp more.

 

I don't think this will work cost effectively as you will need to change all the inlet as they have a special dual induction system which is ECU controlled and quite sensitive. Also it will not be a case of plug and play on the ECU as it may necessitate changing all the locks as the immobiliser is integral. Also there are some further internal differences as I know Peugeot struggled to get the 180bhp it desired out of this engine in the first place.

 

The cheapest option would be to buy this engine and loom package and fit complete, though I don't believe they are that common so not that cheap. A Diesel option would give you the most power and torque and are "remappable", but this is not to your preference.

There are options on petrol V6's and these are often good value second hand buys, particularly with them having historically been already fitted. However, I would sell yours and buy one from factory as they are to be had for peanuts now:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item53ec36b2ed

 

This is probably not the best forum for detailed advice as neither the V6 or the EW10 was fitted to a 205 and is not a common conversion, so hands on knowledge is limited.

[Sandy 191]

Piston cutouts for one thing. Change the engine if you want the VCT.

[dav1 7]

Tesstuff your not been very helpful are you if you don't have any anything good to say on the lads post why not just keep it to your self.