Value Of 205 Gti

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Hi there guys,

 

Just wondering if you could give me some help in getting a idea of value of my 1.6 non sun roof 205 gti. Its not got an mot or tax but runs well, has no rot and only a few things to do to get through the MOT. I don't really have an idea of value, getting married this year so toying with the idea of selling it I am going to have to spend 300-400 quid on it to get in on the road again as I can't do any of the work myself. So if you would be so kind to give me your opinions on what it might be worth, so then I can make my mind up to sell it or not.

 

Many thanks,

 

Tom

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Mileage? Year/colour? Condition of commonly worn components like the rear beam?

 

I have no ideas on the value - as much as someone is willing to pay dependant on overal general condition and history. Just thought i'd promt a few questions for others to gauge a more realistic, accurate price.

 

Pic's would help too.

Edited March 6, 2012 by chipstick

[TRMB84GTI 1]

I don't seem to be able to upload pics... Well the work that needs doing are needs a head gasket but it has not gone yet, will need a rear beam, exhaust manifold, and some of the brake lines will need looking at. I will see if I can put a pic of it up as my profile.. The body work is in good order. No rot on the shell, NS door bubbling on the bottom, boot lid a little bit of rust on the inner NS edge. I bought the car from Andy at AB motorsport and have always taken it to him to get work done. It has been used as a daily driver and used only once in a autokhana.

Would always clean it at weekends and wax it when ever I could find the time. The interior is pretty good apart from the drivers seats and that is knackered but everything else is in good order.

 

To finish its an original standard car and just want your opinions on what to do or if you think its worth doing the work on etc

Edited March 6, 2012 by TRMB84GTI

[Anthony 1,003]

Without an MOT it isn't worth a great deal - at the very least it instants halves its value in my eyes.

 

Beyond that, there is so little information above that we can't even begin to estimate a value.

 

PS. Those links won't work as they're for local files on your hard disk, not files on a website.

[dcc 855]

to me sounds like a shell with interior - so about £200.

[Anthony 1,003]

With your revised info in your post above, the answer is very little.

 

No MOT, failed headgasket, knackered beam, some rust bubbling through, tatty drivers seat, needing brake lines and whatever else pops up on an MOT, and it "only" being a 1.6 GTi in the first place (which to some people does affect the value over a 1.9). There's two major and potentially very costly jobs there that will put off most buyers, and as I mentioned before, the lack of MOT is a killer for both value and most potential buyers.

 

£200-300 or so tops in my eyes I'm afraid.

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Oh dear god lol!! Ok well that clears that one up then guys, so about the epically bad info to start with.... So may aswell do the work

[Anthony 1,003]

Well, if you think of it from the viewpoint of a buyer, it makes sense.

 

Average person looking for a 205 GTi wants a tidy running example with MOT and no major issues, and at the moment it seems like there is more supply than there is demand with the state of the economy, fuel prices etc. Net result of that is that average running 1.6's aren't making much money at the moment - ignore what they're being advertised at on Pistonheads and the like, and look at what cars are actually selling for on eBay as a reasonable idea of the lower end of the market.

 

The cars that are fetching strong money are those tidy low mileage/owner original examples with history.

 

Lack of MOT is an instant turn-off for buyers - my first thought (which is usually right) is that any car being sold without an MOT is because it isn't going to get one without a big chunk of time/money spending on it, and if it really did only need "a couple of small things" then the seller would have done them and put a fresh 12 months ticket on it.

 

Now, couple that lack of MOT with some of the faults you mention. Rear beam most people know that a typical used replacement beam will be on borrowed time, and a refurbed one - particularly if you can't do it yourself and need it fitting - is a good few hundred pounds. Head gasket again will scare off many buyers as it's expensive if you can't do it yourself, and people that can will know the huge can of worms that they're potentially openning. The other bits are more minor, but merely compound the issue and rightly or wrongly all together give the impression of a car that hasn't been cared for and loved.

 

Add it all together, and it is worth very little as I said - basically, it's got to be cheap enough for someone that can do the work to take a gamble on it or for it to be worthwhile for someone looking to break to be make it worth their while.

 

Even if you can't do everything, the very least you should do is enough to get 12 months ticket on it as that will make the car far more appealing all round and much easier to sell. Without that, it will always be a difficult sell for any reasonable sum of money, and that's before the other issues are taken into account.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Be honest, what did you originally have in mind as realistic valuation if you had to make one?

 

The 3-400 you mention to get it back on the road could be the headgasket repair and the brakes. Needs another few hundred for a decent refurbished beam. As it is getting to the stage where there is no point spending £100 on an 'OK' one as it will go the same way sooner or later.

 

With the work you mention, I would say there is a good £700 worth of work there to get it to the standard where it would saleable. And what would a similar car be advertised for today that had an MOT and history of a beam refurb etc? People do want a cheap car like yours that needs work, but with some meat left on the bone to have it come in at less than an example they can go and drive away today.

 

So £300 could be on the money.

[dcc 855]

do the work, put mot on it, sell it for 1200~

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Thank fo you detailsed opinions on the matter. I wasn't really looking to make much money on it but 300 quid I may aswell keep hold of it really.

Anthony I totally get what your saying about the current position of the car and to anyone who was reading it , it prob sounds like a shed...When you say I could be opening a can of worms wen doing the head gasket has gone? This does not fill me with confidence getting the work done on it .... I want to do the work it one swoop cant be doing with dribs and drabs! Makes me feel bad that it has got to this level now where its sitting looking crap in the car port

[Anulfo 22]

Bin the 8valve engine GTi 6 it plus do a few of the other repairs needed to get it through the m.o.t and as summer will soon be here get out there and enjoy the car!!

I'm sure many of us on here have spent much more on their cars than they will ever be worth but for me this isn't the point of owning a 205.I love driving it and have no problem spending time and money modifying it and at the end of the day i realise what these cars are worth.

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Bin the 8valve engine GTi 6 it plus do a few of the other repairs needed to get it through the m.o.t and as summer will soon be here get out there and enjoy the car!!

I'm sure many of us on here have spent much more on their cars than they will ever be worth but for me this isn't the point of owning a 205.I love driving it and have no problem spending time and money modifying it and at the end of the day i realise what these cars are worth.

 

When you say GTI-6 it what sort of money are we talking to get this conversion done?

[dcc 855]

diy -

 

engine

wiring

ecu

exhaust angle

downpipe

fluids

clutch

water pipes

 

at a guess - £600

 

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

When you say GTI-6 it what sort of money are we talking to get this conversion done?

 

Do it yourself.

 

£200-£500 for an engine

£100-£250 for a loom to be made

£185 for BBM hoses (you can cut and shut hoses, but if you want piece of mind, get the kit)

~£100 for an Mi-16 clutch (could use your gearbox with it)

~£100 for a reangled exhaust manifold (or modify your own and get it welded by a local engineering firm)

£X for an exhaust to be mated up to the manifold. Or pay around £100 for an off the shelf modified downpipe to meet a system.

~£200-£300 for sundries and the small things that add up like fuel hose, gaskets, new fixings and driveshaft seals, cambelt kit for piece of mind etc etc.

Bound to of forgot other bits, but I don't wish to add mine up. I spent a few hundred at Peugeot alone buying genuine bits and pieces that I could have bought cheaper, but IMO is a risk of buy cheap, buy twice. I replaced things that did'nt need doing, but made sense to pay out and have it done, than to fiddle in a tight space and do a cheap job the hard way when I could do it easily when the engine is being built up.

 

Plus whatever people charge for fitting. But is simple enough to do yourself.

 

Have a read through my thread (link in sig) if you fancy seeing what is involved. Collate all the bits together and don't faff like I did painting everything and replacing anything slightly tarnished, and you can have it done in no time.

[Anthony 1,003]

If you're wanting to sell the car, do not go down the 16v engine swap route - not only are you liable to lose a considerable amount of money doing so (look at the value of a typical 16v converted 205 - in some cases, it's less than the original 8v unit!) but you're limiting the appeal of the car to a fair proportion of buyers and making it harder to sell.

 

Obviously if you can't do the work yourself - which from your first post suggests not - then you can probably double dcc's figures as a minimum once you've paying someone elses labour to do the swap. I'd personally say that his figures are a bit on the low side anyway realistically given that it doesn't include cambelt kit, waterpump etc that you'd be foolish not to do nor any contingency for all the little bits and bobs that soon add up but are needed for a good, reliable conversion.

 

What you need to do is have a proper look around the car and write down exactly what needs doing to get it driving and a fresh ticket on it, and then see what of that you can do yourself and what you'll need to pay someone else to do.

[TRMB84GTI 1]

diy -

 

engine

wiring

ecu

exhaust angle

downpipe

fluids

clutch

water pipes

 

at a guess - £600

 

That sounds pretty good buuuut I am not a mechanic so can't do any of the work myself.....Its a such a ball ache as would save a shed load of £ if I could do the work myself.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Thats something that escaped me actually, Unlocked ECU. A good £50-£70 there alone. You only need to buy a genuine exh manifold gasket (around £20) and an exh manifold to downpipe fitting kit (also around £20) and that's £100 gone.

 

Of course, you can buy a cheapy gasket, and a cheapy fitting kit that will be more of a pain when it rusts within weeks, but that's a choice you make when you decide over reliabilty and doing a job properly once.

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

That sounds pretty good buuuut I am not a mechanic so can't do any of the work myself.....Its a such a ball ache as would save a shed load of £ if I could do the work myself.

 

I work in an office changing the fluid on spreadheets all day but I still managed to do it myself.

 

Until a couple of years ago I had never even done an oil change mysel It's all bolts. I would suggest you research, research, research. Get an idea together of what is needed to do (read my thread, probbly lists all you would need to do) and then when you get into it you know what the plan is, what you are likely to come across, and what you need to do when and why.

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Well from what you guys have told me I am going to keep the car I am not oo sure about doing the work myself as not confident with that but will have to see how I get one with that. I will have to save twice as hard now saving for the wedding and the pug

 

Would I be save going for a 1.9 8v conversion?

[dcc 855]

whats the point?

 

The 1.6 feels faster, although it doesnt boast it, a mate had a very healthy 1.6 a few years ago and that thing went VERY well, and it was standard all round.

 

why not do the basics first!

[chipstick 382 1 Cars]

Ask yourself the question: What do I want out of the car?

 

Reading between the lines it sounds as if you bought the car cheap recently and thought you were on to a winner. Reality has hit home and now rather than lose on it you are concidering other options or cutting your losses and selling as is, which as you have seen is not perhaps the best idea.

 

If making money on it is what you want from it, I would tread very carefully.

 

If you think - Actually, it owes me little, its a cheap base so I may as well rip that to bits rather than pay 'top money' for a decent standard example, then do what you want with it, and enjoy driving it.

 

I bought my 1.9 with a cracked piston liner. Had an MOT on it, but rather than repair as is, I had already set on buying a 205 to do the XU10J4RS conversion anyway. So it was just the ticket. I didn't want to pay the going rate for a 1.9 with a strong engine that would be ripped out, I was lucky that this popped up locally and was owned by the nicest person you could meet who had spent a bit on it wanted it to go to 'a good home'.

 

If you have a history with 205s and love the revvy 8v feel, I wouldn't advise doing the GTi6 conversion.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

It all depends what you want to do with the car,

sell it then keep it std,

use it either repair of fit another engine but keep the original as you can always return it back to std to sell on, I've done this a few times for customers now who wish to sell there car as the current market is after good original cars as they sell quickly

[TRMB84GTI 1]

Well I have had the car for 4 years now and have loved owning it, its the boring sensible side saying look at selling but I don't I will be able to as talking about just makes we wanna keep it even more!! I have never had enough cash to do what I want to the car, and there is plenty I wanna do to it. If I am honest I would like more grunt as the car lacks the punch I would love to have. But hey I think as it stands I will keep the engine its got and just get the basics right. I really appreciate all your opinions and advice on this as it is easy to get fed up and give up.

 

Maybe I will have a new project thread on here at some point with the new developments on the car.... Cheers lads

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

You say it nees a headgasket but it hasn't gone yet. What makes you think it needs one?