Ph2 106 Gti Gearbox Stuck In Neutral.

[skinner2k3 3]

Without any warning the gearbox in my 106GTI has just locked.

 

I drove the car 16 miles home from work with no problems, pulled into the carpark, went to select reverse and the gearstick refused to move.

 

Its stuck in neutral, clutch seems to be ok, linkages all where they should be.

 

Any ideas???

[welshpug 1,661]

if the linkages are good and engine mounts present and correct then its just a case of chocolate teapot MA box!

[skinner2k3 3]

I will get a better look at it over the weekend. Hopefully its a linkage, but they did all look good at a quick glance (in fading light!).

 

There was at no point any noise suggesting it had shat itself, so hopefully its something fixable.Cheers

Edited March 1, 2012 by skinner2k3

[dcc 855]

the gearstick is on a rubber ball joint pivot, mine actually jammed a stone in the pivot once, might be worth checking.

[skinner2k3 3]

Cheers, will do.

[daneldridge23 15]

i kno this is not a pug gear box, but my vans box blew and the replacment box i got was stuck in gear, turned out the selectors were out of line,

 

i took the selecter of knocked them into line and worked fine!

 

don't know if this applies to pug boxes tho??

[skinner2k3 3]

Which other models could I source an MA box from? Assuming I may end up at the scrappy trying to find one!

 

The box currently fitted, as fas as I know, is from a 1.4 (XSI?). I would like something slightly longer, maybe the VTR/Diesel box if 106???

[welshpug 1,661]

you don't want the vtr or diesel boxes, they'll be non sport gear clusters, and the diesel will be a small diff and VERY long, best bet would be a gti or a vts box, shouldnt be hard to find one on the 106 rr or SSC, or 106moaners.

[skinner2k3 3]

Trouble is if I end up needing a box I am going to have to try and source one locally at the weekend.

[welshpug 1,661]

err, why?

[skinner2k3 3]

Gearbox went on the way home from the MOT, I want to get it back over before the retest date next tuesday.

[skinner2k3 3]

Ok, I can get hold of a VTR box this weekend. Not found a VTS/GTI box though.

 

So what difference is it going to make other than longer gears?

 

Are the non-sport gear clusters significantly weaker???

[welshpug 1,661]

VTR wont be any weaker, just crap to drive

 

Courtesy of Sandy posted on the 106 RR.

 

Typical MA 4 speed (3.58FDR)

1st 40.7

2nd 70.7

3rd 113.3

4th 158.0

 

Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR)

1st 34.0

2nd 59.1

3rd 83.8

4th 104.3

5th 139.5

 

Typical 1360 (3.77 FDR)

1st 33.5

2nd 62.5

3rd 95.4

4th 118.7

5th 158.8

 

S1 Rallye (4.54 FDR)

1st 29.6

2nd 51.8

3rd 74.3

4th 96.2

5th 118.8

 

1.4 XSi (4.29 FDR)

1st 31.3

2nd 54.8

3rd 78.6

4th 101.8

5th 125.7

 

1.6 XSi/S2 Rallye (4.06 FDR)

1st 33.0

2nd 57.9

3rd 83.0

4th 107.6

5th 132.9

 

Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR)

1st 34.1

2nd 59.7

3rd 85.6

4th 110.9

5th 137.0

 

VTR (3.77 FDR)

1st 38.7

2nd 67.3

3rd 95.4

4th 118.7

5th 158.8

 

The red ones are the close ratio sets, and the others are wider spaced, but the 1.1 seems to have good 1stto 2nd spacing, but poor 2nd to 3rd

[welshpug 1,661]

Revs drop changing up at 7000rpm (from gear below).

 

Typical MA 4 speed (3.58FDR)

 

2nd 4000

3rd 4400

4th 5100

 

Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR)

 

2nd 4150

3rd 5000

4th 5700

5th 5200

 

Typical 1360 (3.77 FDR)

 

2nd 3300

3rd 4700

4th 5700

5th 5250

 

S1 Rallye (4.54 FDR)

 

2nd 4050

3rd 4800

4th 5450

5th 5700

 

1.4 XSi (4.29 FDR)

 

2nd 4050

3rd 4800

4th 5450

5th 5700

1.6 XSi/S2 Rallye (4.06 FDR)

 

2nd 4050

3rd 4800

4th 5450

5th 5700

 

Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR)

 

2nd 4050

3rd 4800

4th 5450

5th 5700

 

VTR (3.77 FDR)

 

2nd 3900

3rd 4950

4th 5600

5th 5250

[skinner2k3 3]

Fair enough, that will be why all the breakers seem to have vtr boxes in stock but no vts!

 

Thanks for the info.

 

I removed the gearbox yesterday, as I lifted it I heard something rattle inside and now the selectors work again! Hopefully I can open it up and find out what was jamming it.

[Miles 331 1 Cars]

You can bring it down and I'll have a quick look, Opening it up can be a mare due to shallow headed Torx bolt's, Good idea that one 'not' and a clip on 5th gear which needs changing everytime it comes off

[welshpug 1,661]

Exet3er too far?

 

gti box here £40.

 

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416737

[skinner2k3 3]

Cheers chaps.

 

Unfortunately I didn't check this thread today as was working on the car. But I traced the rattle down to a circlip and trust washer on the end of one of the shafts. Only needed to remove the end cover and refit the washer and circlip. I (possibly wrongly) assumed that was the problem and have now refitted the gearbox, all seems well so far.........

Edited March 11, 2012 by skinner2k3

[miamichris 9]

you don't want the vtr or diesel boxes, they'll be non sport gear clusters, and the diesel will be a small diff and VERY long, best bet would be a gti or a vts box, shouldnt be hard to find one on the 106 rr or SSC, or 106moaners.

 

I put a diesel box on my 106 gti engine in my Xs, after I blew the original gti gearbox, and I can definitely say don't put a diesel box on it as they are REALLY long!!