215Bhp Gti6 Clutch Problems

[tommy gun 6]

Been to collect my car after mapping and the clutch is wrecked.

is it worth fitting a paddle clutch as i will be running at the pod next month?

also where can i get one from?

[welshpug 1,657]

I detest paddle clutches, bloody awful to drive with, its not power however that kills clutches, but abuse and torque.

 

however my mate Dan has one for sale here; forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=136415&hl=&fromsearch=1

Edited February 16, 2012 by welshpug

[Toddy 7]

What was the maximum torque of your engine?

[tommy gun 6]

ive seen that and pmed him.

Its not slipping the bearing has collapsed and the car will be only used as a track car, so not to fused about a harsh clutch.

 

179lbs

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

What clutch is currently fitted? A standard Valeo one should be fine at that power level.

[tommy gun 6]

thats whats on, its only done about 1000 miles too.

[Daz_C 8 1 Cars]

A standard good quality clutch (valeo for instance) should be fine.

No need for a paddle clutch IMO.

My bearing collapsed last year after numerous years of abuse, on removal of the box the actual clutch was pretty good still so I just replaced the bearing.

[Cameron 16]

I have to differ here.. I have a 7.25" 4-paddle cerametallic Helix clutch with a 200Nm aluminium cover and have absolutely no problems with it. Ok on a road car it would get a little irritating as the very low inertia (fitted to a superlight flywheel) means a fair few revs to pull away but on track it's good as gold. If it's a track focused car like you say then you won't have any problems despite the nay-sayers.

 

The problem is they aren't cheap, my clutch & flywheel cost over £800, but it's worth every single penny.

 

Ps make sure you get a cerametallic unless you're very good at heel-toe, sintered plates are like an on-off switch. Don't bother with sprung hubs either, they aren't needed on track.

Edited February 17, 2012 by Cameron

[samthornton1990 23]

i had this problem with my d turbo wheb i screwed it out.... knocked up the boost 7psi of standard and upped the fueling and it slipped when you put your foot down at low revs. It was the clutch release bearing not releasing properly.

 

 

[harryskid 193]

I run a helix clutch on my rally car with the gti6 moter and tbs no problems !

[stebbs 5]

I'm running a ap racing 4 paddle ceramic job with 250ft/lbs done 10k and no slipping. 1st gear is the only gear you notice it over a road going clutch and that's only if you pull off with very little revs on.

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

I've used many a standard Valeo clutch to good effect. My charged 205 runs a mi16 Valeo clutch, the power delivery is like a switch and easily puts down 200lb torque/250bhp.

What clutch are you actually using? Gti6, mi16, standard gti......?

 

[Cameron 16]

I didn't have any problems with my standard Valeo clutch either, thought I'd killed it at Oulton Park but it turned out the release bearing had just broken and slipped round a little. Still, the Helix jobbie has made a massive difference to the way it drives so definitely worth it.

[16v205 9]

When you say wrecked what do you actually mean?

 

Id put a standard clutch back in and not worry about it. I'll be using the same old mi16 clutch thats been with me for years when i put my car back on the road in March hopefully. The valeo release bearing was plastic and actually broke up after just a few miles when first fitted if i remember right. Replaced it for an all metal version from local bearing factors.

[m_attt 31 1 Cars]

strange how people have had no problems with standard clutch, i had had a valeo mi16 one and dturbo one and both were destroyed by my turbo in no time kept slipping on boost in higher gears. now run a cerametalic helix paddle clutch as said its heavy but not to bad for road use, only in heavy traffic it gets annoying.

Edited February 20, 2012 by m_attt

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

+1

 

My Mi16 Valeo clutch slips in third and forth (maybe fifth). I have a 2.0 turbo engine running a bar.

[tommy gun 6]

it was just the bearing had broke up and it would not compress the spring propperly, sorted now.

[rallyeash 155]

probably the way turbo engines deliver the power makes the clutch slip?

 

ive got a paddle clutch on a billet flywheel and no issues here with 230hp NA Gti-6 engine.

[Spiky 37]

glad it's a simple issue to fix

 

std clutch for me, not had any issues.

 

also, as ash says turbo will make a difference, also the condition of the flywheel

[Cameron 16]

probably the way turbo engines deliver the power makes the clutch slip?

 

Clutches are rated by torque, not power; and turbo engines put out great surges of torque, which is probably why people find they slip. If the standard clutch is only rated to 160Nm (a guess) and your engine puts out 250Nm, guess what will happen!

Edited February 23, 2012 by Cameron

[Razkin 0]

Clutches can put up with plenty more torque than they have to when used in a standard engine. 25-50% more isn't unlikely.

The quality between batches of Valeo clutches seem to differ greatly.

[fast_eddie 0]

I ran my mi conversion on a paddle and no issues for 30k miles. Slightly more care needed in setting off(you get used to it) but after that no issues whatsoever.