New Sorn Laws

[Daviewonder 533 3 Cars]

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[Anthony 1,003]

The SORN changes make sense.

 

The proposal to get rid of V5C and insurance document hard copies most certainly does not.

 

Being able to tax a car online when there's no insurance against it (which is how I'm reading it) also seems strange and a distinct backwards step.

 

I'm reading between the lines of the proposed changes to guess that it won't be long before you can't buy a tax disk at the post office...

[SurGie 54]

That is what i dont like, we need to keep our post offices going and i always make the effort to get it from the post office.

[Fox 3]

I don’t know, I can see some of the benefits.

 

The way I read it, insured cars will be on the insurance database, so after a quick check to confirm they can issue it with a tax disk. This seems a good idea, no fumbling around to find your insurance certificate - we've all been there looking, only to find last years old one! Although this needs to be immediate, no messing around not on the MID for three days, I’ve been these and got picked up by the plod as ‘uninsured’ although I was. I received a producer, an inconvenience that I could have done without and was completely out of my hands.

 

As long as we can still go and purchase it at the post office, I see no problem? Although I agree, the post office is somewhat outdated in today’s modern world. Apart from taxing the car when I’ve left it late (I get paid on the last day of the month!) I have no other reason for going – for parcels I find couriers are quicker and often cheaper than the post office, and they come to me!

 

The V5C idea, I don’t understand, why? How do you register a new keeper? Online? Hardly fair!

[feb 47]

So how do you prove you are the owner of the car if you are stopped abroad and if DVLA doesn't provide a hard copy of the V5C?

Edited December 16, 2011 by feb

[welshpug 1,657]

So how do you prove you are the owner of the car if you are stopped abroad and if DVLA doesn't provide a hard copy of the V5C?

 

 

you show them your receipt, the V5C is a registered keeper not proof of ownership.

[Fox 3]

Anyone had one of the new style MOT certificates yet? I wondered what the hell it was!

[lemmingzappa 75 1 Cars]

Yea they seem like easily forged plain A4 paper to me.

[welshpug 1,657]

no point forging as the computer wont mirror your piece of paper, its just a receipt.

[Anthony 1,003]

no point forging as the computer wont mirror your piece of paper, its just a receipt.

Correct, but how many typical car buyers would check the validity of the MOT certificate online before buying?

 

Very few - if someone is selling a car saying that it's got 12 months MOT and there's a bit of paper appearing to confirm that, then the vast majority of buyers will take that at face value and would never check it. The only time they'll discover a problem is when trying to tax the car online, or if they're pulled when ANPR flags up no MOT - by which time, the seller has long since vanished with their money.

 

Certainly to me if seems a very backward step for what is a very small cost saving in the grand scheme of things. The old style MOT certificates weren't unforgeable by any means, but it was atleast slightly more difficult to do and generally speaking, if it had an MOT certificate then chances are that it did have an MOT (whether it actually had a proper MOT test is another matter entirely though)

 

Remember, we're talking a typical buyer that believes the V5C shows the legal owner, and who often won't do a HPI type check to establish if the car is hiding anything - there is no way that sort of person is going to validate the MOT.

 

I agree that there would be no benefit forging it if you're keeping the car for yourself though.