205/309/306/zx Arm Shafts (5176.17)

[welshpug 1,666]

As the title suggests, trying to find a source of these without paying the rather high price they seem to be from most these days, Neat used to do them for £110 delivered, Jimistdt used to do them for a similar price but I haven't seen him on the forum in around a year or so.

 

Neat now charge £140 a pair, as do Peugeot!

 

 

GSF is a no go any more, asked them yesterday which is a shame as they used to be under £80 a pair

[Anthony 1,003]

Neat now charge £140 a pair, as do Peugeot!

Peugeot have obviously come down in price or you get a decent discount, as they were over £180 a pair last year!

 

One thing I will say is to be careful of some of the pattern shafts that are on the market, as I've found atleast one that was very dubious tolerance wise. Might have been a one-off and I don't know the source as I didn't provide it, but certainly it didn't fit as nicely as an OE.

 

I'm not sure whether he is offering it yet, but I know Tom Fenton was looking at repairing shafts with the pitting of the bearing needles so might be worth contacting him if yours are only just starting to go - indeed, my memory might be a bit hazy but I think you had one of the trail shafts last year didn't you Mei?

[welshpug 1,666]

List price on servicebox is £75 + vat so that's where your £180 comes from Ant, I usually get a decent discount if I leave them on stock order

 

I have used a set from Neat without issue, and one from Jimi's group buy, the set prior to that were from Peugeot and they came in pug boxes! others have been pug themselves.

 

Neat's shafts were in the same packaging as Peugeot ones minus the box.

 

I did ask Tom but he said the cost would be prohibitive once his labour time was taken into account though he didn't name a price, Tom never got back to me last year on the reclaimed test shaft, and I never chased it up as my car was off the road for several months earlier this year, wish I had now as I probably need a new tube now not just bearings

 

 

Might look into sorting the shaft myself as I know a friend of a friend with a non working lathe, would need to learn how to make it work and use it

 

 

 

 

I wonder if Ti ones would be feasible.....

Edited November 24, 2011 by welshpug

[Cameron 16]

What's so special about the shafts that nobody has looked into getting them CNC'd?

 

Any special heat treatments or anything?

 

I'm sure if we got a decent quantity made up we could do it for a fraction of the OEM price.

[welshpug 1,666]

Probably case hardened, older ones used to be painted on the non bearing surfaces but recently they are just pain ground finish.

 

fancy making some seeing as you're an engineer cam

Edited November 24, 2011 by welshpug

[Tom Fenton 1,547]

The ones I have machined have not been particularly hard.

 

I have repaired a few that were pitted or worn near the arm end, to do ones that are bad the other end I need a larger live centre for my lathe to hold them steady.

 

I have a contact, I will enquire into a price to have them made, probably EN24T would be tough enough without further treatment.

[welshpug 1,666]

Karl? would be interesting to see how much

[Tom Fenton 1,547]

It is Carl, and no, as he doesn't "do" steel. I will speak to a couple of the machine shops I use at work and see if they will quote. I will have to do a drawing first, but if anyone has a good shaft and accurate measuring tackle to hand and wants to draw it up, that will be a bonus.

[welshpug 1,666]

will see if I can dig my mic and a shaft out as soon as I can

[Alan_M 66 1 Cars]

Only last night at work, I was thinking of this. I was repairing a pitted AHU shaft using Belzona, which was then turned up in the lathe. Worked a treat. It came to me that I could try this stuff on a slightly pitted shaft from a beam. We've got stacks of this stuff and this particular grade is specifically for repair of pitted shafts & bearing houses.

 

Might give it a go

[welshpug 1,666]

oooo my mate has some Belzona in the garage! not sure what grade it is, will have a spy later, it came from a mate that worked in Corus Llanwern a few years ago

[Tom Fenton 1,547]

Belzona can be good stuff, you need to get the right one for the application, as there are lots of different types.

[welshpug 1,666]

I think this was used on the furnace walls

[Tom Fenton 1,547]

Which means it is probably a high temperature derivative and not a high load bearing derivative.

 

It also has a certain shelf life, so if its been there a while it may be knackered now.

[Alan_M 66 1 Cars]

Belzona Products

 

I used the 1121 Super XL metal last night but we've a majority of that range. I've used it on all sorts, repairing leaking tanks to steam valve flanges/faces and has always worked. First time I've tried it on a load-bearing shaft.

[j_turnell 137 3 Cars]

I know someone that makes these for a few companies can enquire for a group buy maybe...

[Cameron 16]

Probably case hardened, older ones used to be painted on the non bearing surfaces but recently they are just pain ground finish.

 

fancy making some seeing as you're an engineer cam

 

I would ask the CNC company Alex put me on to but tbh I don't really want to irritate them with speculative stuff while I'm a new customer. I don't have any shafts to measure but if someone were to give me dimensions I could easily knock up drawings if needed.

[welshpug 1,666]

just a few quick measurements on a slightly rusty shaft I found,

 

 

 

[Tom Fenton 1,547]

Material is about £18 per shaft on a quick initial enquiry.

[allanallen 528 2 Cars]

I would think they'd be north of £100 for a pair in 24t once you've added the machining on.

[welshpug 1,666]

that would be quite reasonable

[Cameron 16]

Yeah I'd reckon on about £150 for a CNC'd set, maybe a bit cheaper if the volume is good. If you have a friendly machinist you could get cheaper, but he's going to hate you for ordering large volumes.

[welshpug 1,666]

at £150 I'd just go to pug

[Cameron 16]

There's a reason Pug charge so much!

 

If they were solid it would be much more straightforward, but the fact that they're bored out and iirc the bore steps a few times it'll drive the cost up a fair bit.

[welshpug 1,666]

the bore only steps once, outer bore of 36mm for a depth of 24mm, then the rest plain bore at whatever you choose, the shaft I have to hand is 28mm I.D but Miles did say a 30mm arb fits the replacement and original 205/309 shafts